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I have only rarely used books or databases against players rated 100-200 below me, and never against those below 1400. It's not worth the effort. Simple opening principles--center control, mobility, flexibility, vulnerability, and piece coordination--nearly always lead to a decisive advantage in the first ten moves against such players, who generally depart from "book" lines by move 4 or 5.
In Game 4877825, for example, Black's move three is rare, but in databases. White deviates from my databases on move 6, Black gives up a pawn on move 7 (but White does not seize this advantage). Neither player has any reason to fear database use by the other, as it would confer no advantage.
Through the opening, both players traded pieces with minimal eye towards coordination of efforts, and White came out a pawn ahead and a weakness in Black's position against which to direct energies. This advantage was squandered on move 20, then Black outplayed White in the resulting melee.
Originally posted by Nomad777what type of play do you like, are you a 1.d4 player or a 1.e4, or perhaps a gambiteer, or something less orthodox like the grob for example, what type of play do you prefer? also thinking of your games, what mistakes do you make and why, are they tactical, positional or both, answering these question for yourself may help others to point you in the write direction to some gem of a book that you will enjoy!😀
Thanks,
I have not played with books. After reading your posting, I now have an idea of what it takes to move to the next level. Is there any book in particular you might reccomend?
Originally posted by tamuziright about what I said in the post you were so quick to judge as arrogance, and as it turns out, even worse. I've done none of the things you think I did.
Right? About what?
Other's opinions don't matter if their rank isn't as high as you? You are not right, in fact your argument has no merit at all as you make it because it can be summarized by this:
1. Ad hominem attack at ethos
2. Say whatever the hell I want, because I've already defaced anyone going against me.
And as far as I'm concerned part of t ...[text shortened]... nt doesn't have a right or wrong. Part clearly does, as shown by the rules, part does not.
1) where did I insult anyone? nowhere. if you think pointing out a typical problem, its cause AND telling how to fix it is an insult, you're clearly wrong.
2) I don't even know what you're talking about.
Originally posted by Nomad777http://www.shredderchess.com/online-chess/online-databases/opening-database.html
Right. Well I assume there is that one "go to" reference that might serve as the cornerstone of one's chess library. As many have viewed numerous references, I thought I might benefit from from their leg-work.
cheers
I think a lot of people here use this as a good starting point.
Originally posted by Dragon Firejust for the record, I haven't used databases for almost a year now. but all the things I learned during the extensive db use, have stayed with me. there's no difference in my average playing strength, although I've fallen into a couple of opening traps which I would've avoided otherwise.
It seems to me that the weaker players feel they are only being beaten because we use books and databases but nothing could be further from the truth. These players would lose games against those advocating the use of books and DBs OTB (without them being used) just as quickly, if not more so, than they do here.
Originally posted by Nomad777pink indicates an illegal move I think?
Occasionaly my squares turn pink immediately after making a move. Can someone please enlighten me. What does this indicate?
about general books, if you haven't read chernev's 'logical chess move by move', reading it is one of the greatest services a beginning player can provide for himself.
about opening theory (which is what is meant by 'book moves'😉, it depends on what kind of openings you want to play, and on what level your understanding of those openings is.
Originally posted by jockmcgeethe chessgames.com opening explorer is a common one as well:
http://www.shredderchess.com/online-chess/online-databases/opening-database.html
I think a lot of people here use this as a good starting point.
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/rerolpxe
I guess it should also be mentioned here that the quality of a database is far more important than the size. some dbs carry blitz games and very low rated games as well, which can bias the percentages severely.
oh, and we do have a master game db here on RHP as well:
http://www.redhotpawn.com/gamesexplorer/
Originally posted by Dragon FireWhy? They'd be playing OTB just as they do here - i.e. without using references. And you'd lose the advantage of using references. I think it's fair to assume everything else remains the same.
These players would lose games against those advocating the use of books and DBs OTB (without them being used) just as quickly, if not more so, than they do here.
Using books and DBs here is hard work and often they are left before achieving anything
Sometimes, yes. But at other times, DBs can offer a cheap shot that gives a significant advantage.
I'm not saying that references are cheating or not a part of CC. I'm just saying a personal opinion that it may devalue CC a bit (with comparison to OTB), and more so in the future.
Originally posted by KorchPathetic ad hominem, surely you can do better. Using books and databases is not the same as thinking or using your brain. And once again this deliberate smearing of the lines between cc and otb is ridiculous.
The problem is not in rank itself but in chess qualification. And if eldragonfly cant see difference between OTB chess and CC chess, then I`dont feel surprised that his rating is only 1380.
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Originally posted by VarenkaWhat do you mean by "cheap shot" here? You mean that the non-DB using player makes a tactical error (i.e. a mistake), and the DB-using player notices that its a mistake partly because he finds a game in a database where this error is strongly punished? How is it a cheap shot to exploit a mistake?
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But at other times, DBs can offer a cheap shot that gives a significant advantage.
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This sort of thing happens all the time in OTB - the only difference is that OTB players memorize the winning lines, rather than looking them up.
Originally posted by BedlamWrong. The laziness is in using a book or a database to make your next move, and to examine variations several plies deep.
There might be a level of laziness which stops people consulting books/databases and therefore improving if only minimally. Chess can be hard work and its far easier to just push wood than look up and study the positions. Their own defensive reactions of course wouldnt see this as laziness "I dont do it because I believe its cheating" even when its clearly not.