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  1. 28 Nov '16 20:15
  2. Subscriber 64squaresofpain On Vacation
    The drunk knight
    28 Nov '16 20:51
    Was quite a kop out really, both players obviously not interested in a last round fight... neither deserve to win on that basis.
  3. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    28 Nov '16 20:55
    Thanks to ... ... Magnus and ... Sergei for such an exciting matc...

    P.S.:
  4. 28 Nov '16 21:13
    I think I saw that opening somewhere before.
  5. Standard member Steve45
    Garry Kasparov
    28 Nov '16 21:20
    Do they have Spanish ancestors, who brought them up on the Ruy Lopez.
  6. Subscriber jb70online
    State of Confusion
    28 Nov '16 22:35
    Conspiracy Theory: Think about the Book Deal.
    If they'd only played 12 games mostly draws, who would have bought that?
    So they conspired to pad the book out with some rapid followed by some blitz.
  7. 29 Nov '16 02:10
    Carlsen is happy because he strongly fancies his chances in the rapid/blitz tie break.
    Karjakin had no choice after 1...e5 and 10...Re1 but to go along. He was also happy with the new split.

    With the match tied instead of it being 60% to the winner 40% to the loser
    it is now 55% to the winner and 45% to the loser.


    The tie break format:


    ) A four-game match with 25 minutes + 10-second increment rapid games.

    2) If the scores are equal, then a maximum of five mini matches of two
    blitz games at 5 minutes + a 3-second increment.

    3) If those 14 games have proved indecisive will we get a World Championship
    decided in an Armageddon game, where White has 5 minutes to Black’s 4,
    but a draw will make the player with Black the World Champion.
  8. 29 Nov '16 11:01
    At least some real chess
  9. 29 Nov '16 17:26
    How many of those games will be a Spanish opening?
  10. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    29 Nov '16 18:59
    I really want Karjakin to take this now! Carlsen is feeling pretty cock full of himself after tying the match, even though he has played pretty badly (that is judging by his standards). Had Karjakin played Nxf2 in game 10 we probably wouldn't be playing this tie break at all! To not even try with white in the last round makes no sense to me. He could have applied pressure for hours, he didn't need to take any risks. Just put Karjakin under a little pressure, make sure he comes out of game 12 feeling exhausted. Even if Carlsen is confident of winning a tie break, why pass up an opportunity to use the white pieces? Letting Sergey go home after 30 minutes is a bit of a let off if you ask me. Being confident is one thing, but being cocky is another. One loss in the tie break and he could be going home looking a bit silly.
  11. 29 Nov '16 19:38
    I think playing for a draw was the most logical thing for Carlsen to do. Playing for a win in the last game would be risky, yes he has the white pieces, but to win he would need double-edged positions. It's high risk with a high reward, I would consider playing for a win in such a situation to be cocky and too optimistic. Leaving it to a 4 game rapid play, allows both players to take chances without losing the entire match outright after one game.
  12. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    29 Nov '16 21:15
    Originally posted by KnightStalker47
    I think playing for a draw was the most logical thing for Carlsen to do. Playing for a win in the last game would be risky, yes he has the white pieces, but to win he would need double-edged positions. It's high risk with a high reward, I would consider playing for a win in such a situation to be cocky and too optimistic. Leaving it to a 4 game rapid ...[text shortened]... ay, allows both players to take chances without losing the entire match outright after one game.
    I don't think there is anything wrong with playing out a draw, but there is zero chance of Karjakin making even a slight inaccuracy in the line he chose. There are plenty of openings that test black but let white avoid taking too much risk. If Carlsen is confident he can win in a tie break, why i he not confident to try and press a little as white. If he doesn't do anything crazy it will be a draw. Why not make Karjakin work for it a bit? I expect both players had the final position in their database at home (or at least something up until the point that it is clearly a draw).
  13. 29 Nov '16 23:46 / 2 edits
    Carlsen could have been taking care of the money (it's always about the money.)

    If he had lost Game 12 he would have got 35% of the pot ( it was
    to be divided 60-40 but Carlsen had a 10% fine appealed to 5% )

    By tying the match the pot is split 55 - 45 after the tie
    break so here he guarantees himself 40% instead of 35%.

    He also knows he is the better Rapid/Blitz player. So he chose
    this way. As he he has a better chance of taking 50% of the pot.

    The Rapid/blitz games are played on Carlsen's Birthday.
    There is and old saying about never playing chess on your birthday.
  14. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    30 Nov '16 01:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Carlsen could have been taking care of the money (it's always about the money.)

    If he had lost Game 12 he would have got 35% of the pot ( it was
    to be divided 60-40 but Carlsen had a 10% fine appealed to 5% )

    By tying the match the pot is split 55 - 45 after the tie
    break so here he guarantees himself 40% instead of 35%.

    He also knows he is ...[text shortened]... yed on Carlsen's Birthday.
    There is and old saying about never playing chess on your birthday.
    Oh really? That IS interesting! If he loses his title in a 5 minute blitz game then he might find he loses out rather more than a measly 5% though, don't you think?
  15. 30 Nov '16 02:10
    It won't go to Blitz, the Rapid games will produce a winner.