Carlsen Seconds Revealed

greenpawn34

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11 Dec 21 10:53

greenpawn34

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11 Dec 21 10:53

Carlsen introduces the seconds he used for the match v Nepomniachtchi .

BigDogg

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11 Dec 21 16:20

@greenpawn34 said
Carlsen introduces the seconds he used for the match v Nepomniachtchi .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEjEZuWatUg

Interesting how it has gone more and more away from top flight chess credentials and more into other areas. [I imagine computer / research skills have become much more valuable.]

Perhaps engines have something to do with this; all you need is a player strong enough to make sense of engine output. In other words, a person who would be a good 'correspondence chess centaur'.

Contenchess

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12 Dec 21 01:41

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@BigDogg

Agreed.

Strong enough to understand the positions and willing to put in a lot of hours using an engine.

But I have heard Magnus prefers people he gets along with so that could be the reason too 🤔

jb70

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12 Dec 21 08:39

Don’t blame Dubov
The Russians attitude is Dubov betrayed them
It's not about them it's about Dubov
A big learning experience for him

greenpawn34

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12 Dec 21 13:38

I noticed that as well, everyone of them 'cept Carlsen had a laptop infront of them.

Looking at games of future opponents to see if they can spot a weakness or a positional preference. Also scanning other tournaments to see if a TN has been
played that might contain the germ of a new idea.
(however in this case most likely chatting with their facebook friends.)

mlb62

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12 Dec 21 17:34

so, do the seconds volunteer or are they paid? I wonder how much....

Contenchess

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13 Dec 21 00:44

@ogb

I imagine expenses are covered and maybe a bonus if your team wins.
Plenty of people would do it for free so I can't imagine they have ridiculous fees.

FMDavidHLevin

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13 Dec 21 14:43

@ogb said
so, do the seconds volunteer or are they paid? I wonder how much....

I would imagine that the seconds are paid because they'd be temporarily without their other means of earning a living.

mlb62

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13 Dec 21 15:55

@jb70 said
Don’t blame Dubov
The Russians attitude is Dubov betrayed them
It's not about them it's about Dubov
A big learning experience for him

on another site, it's being said that Dubov made a mistake by helping Magnus. In the video here, he doesn't look very happy. It wasn't good for his career.

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13 Dec 21 16:10

Very interesting 🤔

mchill

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17 Dec 21 23:09

@bigdogg said
Interesting how it has gone more and more away from top flight chess credentials and more into other areas. [I imagine computer / research skills have become much more valuable.]

Perhaps engines have something to do with this; all you need is a player strong enough to make sense of engine output. In other words, a person who would be a good 'correspondence chess centaur'.

Perhaps engines have something to do with this; all you need is a player strong enough to make sense of engine output.

Yes indeed. I would also add that though it's not necessary to surround one's self with super GM's (and their ego's) it's very helpful to have a group that can do their job well, but also works well in a team environment.