Caro Khaners

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1132358

wow, some crazy ideas for to try, and while we are on the subject of of Mr. Schiller and his eight year old proof reader tending towards the publication of mediocrity I submit for your perusal my latest invention aimed at undermining this most venerable of openings. dismayed by a lack of understanding and vision, primarily as a result of failing to understand blacks grip on the white squares and in particular d5 i was forced, nay, driven by earlier failure and ridicule to formulate a new approach. If black wants the d5 square well he can have his cake and eat it, we dont care, we shall concentrate on the dark squares and be done with it, in a kind of Sicilian/KIA/English with reversed colours.

So inspired by Bangiev theory, the illustrious Korch and his recommendation of the kings Indian attack, no1maruaders utilisation of the e5 square in his OTB tourney and others for their moral support I have this variation to publicly proclaim as the new standard of tackling the Caro Khan, refute it if you will!

1.e4 c6, 2.b3!? d5, 3.exd5 cxd5, 4.Bb2 e6, 5.f4!? Nf6, 6.Nf3 Bd6, 7.g3 0-0, 8.Bg2 Nc6, 9.Ne5 Bd7, 10.0-0 😀

Originally posted by Diodorus Siculus
1. e4 c6 2. d3!? Leonid Stein USSR Champion

Actually 2.d3!? was invented by Gyula Breyer (1894-1921) - one of the first hypermodernists. This move became more popular in 70ties and was used by Stein, Fischer, Ljubojevic and others.

Originally posted by JonathanB of London
This is indeed a gambiteer's dream ... the dream being a game where Black plays nothing but rubbish moves.

I'm sorry but objectively speaking your idea must be cack. Doesn't mean you shouldn't play it and have some fun and maybe get a result or two against weaker opposition of course.

You were right with the tone of your original post - .. ...[text shortened]... h more solid than ... c5. You're just not going to be able to bash it flat in a few moves.

Why u r posting msgs while u r on vacation. THis is the best way to avoid timeouts while playing i guess.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
wow, some crazy ideas for to try, and while we are on the subject of of Mr. Schiller and his eight year old proof reader tending towards the publication of mediocrity I submit for your perusal my latest invention aimed at undermining this most venerable of openings. dismayed by a lack of understanding and vision, primarily as a result of failing to ...[text shortened]... b3!? d5, 3.exd5 cxd5, 4.Bb2 e6, 5.f4!? Nf6, 6.Nf3 Bd6, 7.g3 0-0, 8.Bg2 Nc6, 9.Ne5 Bd7, 10.0-0 😀

If you think any of your caro-kann opponents will play 4. ..e6 in that line, you should not study openings but strategy - especially about the phenomenon 'bad bishop'.

Even though black's moves in that line can be vastly improved (particularly 4. ..e6 and 9. ..Bd7 are dodgy) he still has at least equality after 10. ..Ne4.

1.e4 c6? 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 cxd5 4.c4!
And white wins.

lol no jk, but I like to play as white in this position. It seems natural and is easy for black to screw up.

An advantage of the Caro-Kann is it frees the light squared bishop after 2..d5, although this often happens with other openings to, the Caro-Kann is a quick an easy way to do this, having said that however in not rely a fan...more personal preference than anything else, its not really something you can attempt to refute

EDIT: oops had only read the first page when I posted this, ill leave it be neways tho

Originally posted by schakuhr
If you think any of your caro-kann opponents will play 4. ..e6 in that line, you should not study openings but strategy - especially about the phenomenon 'bad bishop'.

Even though black's moves in that line can be vastly improved (particularly 4. ..e6 and 9. ..Bd7 are dodgy) he still has at least equality after 10. ..Ne4.

exactly the kind of constructive criticism i was looking for , so what are the alternatives to 4...e6, mmm, if black plays in auto pilot mode putting his bishop outside the pawn chain, say 4...Bf5 then, 5.Nf3 Nf6, 6.Be2 e6, 7.Nh4 Be4!?, 8.d3 Bg6, 9.c4 Nc6, 10 Nxg6, is it not so?

Originally posted by Korch
Actually 2.d3!? was invented by Gyula Breyer (1894-1921) - one of the first hypermodernists. This move became more popular in 70ties and was used by Stein, Fischer, Ljubojevic and others.

Tal won a nice game against Smyslov on the White side of the 2 d3 variation.

1 e4 and 2 d3 can be played against any Black defense (although 1 e4 d5 2 d3?! dxe4 3 dxe4 Qxd1+ 4 Kxd1 seems dubious for White.)

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
wow, some crazy ideas for to try, and while we are on the subject of of Mr. Schiller and his eight year old proof reader tending towards the publication of mediocrity I submit for your perusal my latest invention aimed at undermining this most venerable of openings. dismayed by a lack of understanding and vision, primarily as a result of failing to ...[text shortened]... b3!? d5, 3.exd5 cxd5, 4.Bb2 e6, 5.f4!? Nf6, 6.Nf3 Bd6, 7.g3 0-0, 8.Bg2 Nc6, 9.Ne5 Bd7, 10.0-0 😀

2.b3 its not new , Max Euwe played in that way in 1920 :
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1041900

Originally posted by zintieriv
2.b3 its not new , Max Euwe played in that way in 1920 :
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1041900

thanks Zintieriv, what a beautiful game of chess, the co-ordination between the pieces was amazing, especially the way the pressure was piled up on the dark squares from move 2.b3, for example the bishop on b2, the queen on e2, the knight on f3, the pawn on d4 and even the pawn on g3 all contributing to early initial pressure on the dark squares - awesome, truly awesome. Just goes to prove that there is nothing new under the sun!😀

Originally posted by JonathanB of London
I doubt it.
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If the best white has is a reference to a schiller book then I think there's a problem.

not much left to be said.