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  1. 24 Jul '07 15:03
    Another tournament, another cheat:
    http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2007/07/cheating-incident-in-poland.html

    I found the tournament table online:
    http://www.smialy.pl/gniot2007/tabela_turniejowa_zawodnikow_wg_miejsc.html
  2. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    24 Jul '07 15:21
    The encouraging thing is that they caught him due to screening the games, which is the implication of the reports, rather than by accident due to trailing wires etc. - which is more or less how they've found people out in the past. A 98% match-up rate is quite spectacular.
  3. 24 Jul '07 15:26
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    The encouraging thing is that they caught him due to screening the games, which is the implication of the reports, rather than by accident due to trailing wires etc. - which is more or less how they've found people out in the past. A 98% match-up rate is quite spectacular.
    Indeed. Hopefully screening of the games will become standard in FIDE rated tournaments in the near future, there's no reason why someone shouldn't get caught after the first round if they are blindly following Rybka, Fritz or the like.
  4. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    24 Jul '07 16:32
    Originally posted by Fat Lady
    Another tournament, another cheat:
    http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2007/07/cheating-incident-in-poland.html

    I found the tournament table online:
    http://www.smialy.pl/gniot2007/tabela_turniejowa_zawodnikow_wg_miejsc.html
    Its interesting to note that he was one of the higher rated players in the tournament but 6.5 points out of 7 including 5 games against top 10 finishers is almost behond belief.

    Even with 2 games in hand he tied for 1st place.

    The question arises "How did he do it?" and "What can be done to stop this in future?".
  5. 24 Jul '07 17:05
    My solution: Legalize engine use in CC and OTB. It’s not a crazy as it sounds. Me & my laptop against Kasparov and his laptop. Me & my laptop against Ivar Bern and his laptop Who do you think would win?
  6. 24 Jul '07 17:13
    what a stupid idea.
  7. 24 Jul '07 17:15 / 1 edit
    the one with the fastest computer wins. doh
  8. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    24 Jul '07 17:19
    Originally posted by kmac27
    what a stupid idea.
    Not completely, there are plenty of CC sites which allow engine use with engine and non-engine rooms, and human + machine OTB tournaments have been played. However, that is a different thing from abandoning human only play altogether which really wouldn't do the sport any good - I for one wouldn't see much point in playing except socially.
  9. 24 Jul '07 18:01
    Originally posted by kmac27
    what a stupid idea.
    The "stupid" person who came up with this idea is actually Kasparov himself, who calls it 'Advanced Chess'.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_chess

    The problem is, as good as computers are now, it's getting to the point where it's doubtful that the human will have anything useful to contribute (the human's advice may just bring down the play of the computer).
  10. 24 Jul '07 22:32
    You'd think somebody with a qualifying rating would be smart enough to mix it up at least a little bit. Maybe use the engine to get a superior position. I'd assume a 2300 plus player could win then, even against a superior player.

    It's like he wanted to get caught.
  11. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    24 Jul '07 22:36
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    You'd think somebody with a qualifying rating would be smart enough to mix it up at least a little bit. Maybe use the engine to get a superior position. I'd assume a 2300 plus player could win then, even against a superior player.

    It's like he wanted to get caught.
    I have this theory.

    People that use engines don't know when to stop.They get sucked in, use them more and more and eventually get lazy so use them for every move - then they get caught!

    It doesn't matter how good they are as they eventually stop playing and rely on the engine.
  12. Standard member chessisvanity
    THE BISHOP GOD
    24 Jul '07 22:38 / 1 edit
    I wouldn't have a problem with walking through a metal detector before entering a tournament.

    I'd even let them search me. When I hear about these guys "cheating".....well....if someone shot him in the head and his brains splattered into my mouth ...i'd say...."is it my move or yours?"
  13. 24 Jul '07 23:31
    Originally posted by Dragon Fire
    I have this theory.

    People that use engines don't know when to stop.They get sucked in, use them more and more and eventually get lazy so use them for every move - then they get caught!

    It doesn't matter how good they are as they eventually stop playing and rely on the engine.
    I think you are exactly right.
  14. 25 Jul '07 00:25
    Originally posted by Dragon Fire
    I have this theory.

    People that use engines don't know when to stop.They get sucked in, use them more and more and eventually get lazy so use them for every move - then they get caught!

    It doesn't matter how good they are as they eventually stop playing and rely on the engine.
    Boy! At some point he BECOMES the engine.

    Resistance is futile!
  15. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    25 Jul '07 08:22
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Boy! At some point he BECOMES the engine.

    Resistance is futile!
    The human race is doomed. Technology will win.

    Remember the Borg, the Cyborgs and all those Terminator movies. The future of humanity is in their hands.

    We will become mindless automations, having sex for fun whilst robots rule the world.