Databases vs Engines

What is the difference?

I saw online that a database will give you the next move to make.

So I think we should just be able to use books.

But all I want is to know the difference, I didn't put this up to here people complain.

Database : pointless thing that is filed with moves people think are the best in openings, but usually they are garbage and will just help your even more prepared opponent. Always use a different move from databases.

Engine: Makes a car, boat, plane etc work properly.

Book: Bits of paper with ink on them. Should be kept away from hungry cows.

Originally posted by Santa Drummer
Database : pointless thing that is filed with moves people think are the best in openings, but usually they are garbage and will just help your even more prepared opponent. Always use a different move from databases.

Engine: Makes a car, boat, plane etc work properly.

Book: Bits of paper with ink on them. Should be kept away from hungry cows.

Thanks.

Originally posted by RBHILL
What is the difference?

I saw online that a database will give you the next move to make.

So I think we should just be able to use books.

But all I want is to know the difference, I didn't put this up to here people complain.

As you know engines make the most tactically accurate moves, but databases often include less tactically good moves but instead have a lot more positional moves i.e. sacrificing a pawn and recapturing it later with a piece (e.g. knight).
I think this is the main difference.

Originally posted by Bad wolf
As you know engines make the most tactically accurate moves, but databases often include less tactically good moves but instead have a lot more positional moves i.e. sacrificing a pawn and recapturing it later with a piece (e.g. knight).
I think this is the main difference.

oh, those sacrifices.

I need to work on those some more.
Thanks.

Originally posted by RBHILL
What is the difference?

I saw online that a database will give you the next move to make.

So I think we should just be able to use books.

But all I want is to know the difference, I didn't put this up to here people complain.

Database use is permitted in correspondence chess, engines are not.

A database stores games that have been played; an engine plays, or analyzes the play of others.

Originally posted by Wulebgr
Database use is permitted in correspondence chess, engines are not.

A database stores games that have been played; an engine plays, or analyzes the play of others.

Great thanks.

ECO codes are like using a database right, so they are allowed right?

Originally posted by RBHILL
ECO codes are like using a database right, so they are allowed right?

Yes. Anything but a chess engine or someone giving advice on a game in progress is allowed.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
Yes. Anything but a chess engine or someone giving advice on a game in progress is allowed.

cool. Are they helpful if you have used them before?

Good learning tool?

Is it better then a chess book?

Originally posted by RBHILL
cool. Are they helpful if you have used them before?

Good learning tool?

Is it better then a chess book?

ECO codes are the structure of a five volume book called Encyclopedia of Chess Openings. I have them sitting next to my computer, but it is possible to buy them in electronic format.

Originally posted by Wulebgr
ECO codes are the structure of a five volume book called Encyclopedia of Chess Openings. I have them sitting next to my computer, but it is possible to buy them in electronic format.

I don't mean to hijack the thread but can anybody recommend a database engine? Has to be an updatable one. Thanks.

Originally posted by tharg
I don't mean to hijack the thread but can anybody recommend a database engine? Has to be an updatable one. Thanks.

Which database program do you use?

Originally posted by Wulebgr
ECO codes are the structure of a five volume book called Encyclopedia of Chess Openings. I have them sitting next to my computer, but it is possible to buy them in electronic format.

Why not copy and past to you excel program with the ECO codes.

Originally posted by RBHILL
Why not copy and past to you excel program with the ECO codes.

I know it is in the rules but....

I'm not sure that consulting a database is in the spirit of rhp.
I think that outside help during a game is morally wrong.
I'm happy with people revising openings before games start and analysing games after they finish, but I'm uncomfortable with any interference during play.