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22 Jan 08
22 Jan 08
A friend of mine just started playing on RHP; I challenged him to a game and was assigned White. I moved and he responded the next day. However, he is a very strong player and it's been a long time since I've beaten him OTB. Since he now has a provisional rating and he's such a tough opponent, I jokingly offered him a draw on my 2nd move, and he accepted! 😲 He claimed this was a way for him to get closer to a non provisional rating while picking up a few rating points at the same time. Not a bad idea I thought, except that our game was counted as a non rated game. Is this the policy for such very short games?
22 Jan 08
Originally posted by AttilaTheHornYes, games must have three moves played in order to be rated.
A friend of mine just started playing on RHP; I challenged him to a game and was assigned White. I moved and he responded the next day. However, he is a very strong player and it's been a long time since I've beaten him OTB. Since he now has a provisional rating and he's such a tough opponent, I jokingly offered him a draw on my 2nd move, and he accept ...[text shortened]... that our game was counted as a non rated game. Is this the policy for such very short games?
22 Jan 08
Originally posted by AttilaTheHornBe careful though because these games violate the ToS.
A friend of mine just started playing on RHP; I challenged him to a game and was assigned White. I moved and he responded the next day. However, he is a very strong player and it's been a long time since I've beaten him OTB. Since he now has a provisional rating and he's such a tough opponent, I jokingly offered him a draw on my 2nd move, and he accept ...[text shortened]... that our game was counted as a non rated game. Is this the policy for such very short games?
22 Jan 08
Originally posted by AttilaTheHornPlease don't do this. It is rating manipulation.
A friend of mine just started playing on RHP; I challenged him to a game and was assigned White. I moved and he responded the next day. However, he is a very strong player and it's been a long time since I've beaten him OTB. Since he now has a provisional rating and he's such a tough opponent, I jokingly offered him a draw on my 2nd move, and he accept ...[text shortened]... that our game was counted as a non rated game. Is this the policy for such very short games?
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22 Jan 08
Originally posted by PhlabibitOK, that's good advice and it won't happen again. I never imagined he would accept the offer and I was paying him a bit of respect by this little practical joke. I love chess too much to do that. I apologize for it and I'll mention this to him too. I'm sure he'll see the point because he is an honourable guy.
Please don't do this. It is rating manipulation.
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As a matter of fact, in a kids tournament we run here, two of the stronger stonger kids agreed to a draw in advance a while ago and I was furious at them. They were surprised at my reaction and they've been as good as gold ever since.
22 Jan 08
Originally posted by AttilaTheHornCool beans!
OK, that's good advice and it won't happen again. I never imagined he would accept the offer and I was paying him a bit of respect by this little practical joke. I love chess too much to do that. I apologize for it and I'll mention this to him too. I'm sure he'll see the point because he is an honourable guy.
As a matter of fact, in a kids tournament ...[text shortened]... s at them. They were surprised at my reaction and they've been as good as gold ever since.
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22 Jan 08
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Originally posted by AttilaTheHornI have agreed many a draw after a single move.
OK, that's good advice and it won't happen again. I never imagined he would accept the offer and I was paying him a bit of respect by this little practical joke. I love chess too much to do that. I apologize for it and I'll mention this to him too. I'm sure he'll see the point because he is an honourable guy.
As a matter of fact, in a kids tournament ...[text shortened]... s at them. They were surprised at my reaction and they've been as good as gold ever since.
Mainly in 2 circumstances
(1) where I have drawn a strong player in the 1st round of a tournament and it simply allows us both through to the next round rather than 1 of us being knocked out to early;
(2) to cut down games without jeopadising my chances in a tournament; or simply
(3) if I have too many games on the go and want to reduce a bit.
Doing this early in the game doesn't affect ratings hence it is a good time to get out of over commitments. Of course doing it a few moves later with the intention to manipulate ratings is another thing entirely and I have never done that.
22 Jan 08
Originally posted by PhlabibitPossibly, but it is an intrinsic part of the rating system for provisionals in the first 5 games, and cannot always be avoided.
Please don't do this. It is rating manipulation.
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If a p1200 plays an 1800, his rating rises even in defeat (the formula is 1800-400 making the score for that game 1400, as far as I see it?).
Therefore if I join the site and play 5 games against an 1800 rated player (theoretically), I would get a p-rating of 1400 on my 5th game, would I not, despite having a 0-5 result ratio?
So is this cheating, or only if I resign by consent early in the game. I am being devils advocate, as I understand the context here, but such complications are created by the rating calculation for provisionals.
22 Jan 08
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Originally posted by PolicestateI have no idea what you are talking about. Here is what I see happening. 2 friends, one has no rating yet. They decide to finish games and quickly get the friend rated.
Possibly, but it is an intrinsic part of the rating system for provisionals in the first 5 games, and cannot always be avoided.
If a p1200 plays an 1800, his rating rises even in defeat (the formula is 1800-400 making the score for that game 1400, as far as I see it?).
Therefore if I join the site and play 5 games against an 1800 rated player (theoreti ...[text shortened]... the context here, but such complications are created by the rating calculation for provisionals.
This is outside help, becuase the 2 users know each other they have decided to manipulate the system.
This isn't fair to users like me who have NO FRIENDS!
😉
The rating formula has nothing to do with my statement, my statement was about collaboration to quickly get through the non provisional rating.
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23 Jan 08
Originally posted by PhlabibitI will play you and let you have a draw on move 2.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Here is what I see happening. 2 friends, one has no rating yet. They decide to finish games and quickly get the friend rated.
This is outside help, becuase the 2 users know each other they have decided to manipulate the system.
This isn't fair to users like me who have NO FRIENDS!
😉
The rating form ...[text shortened]... my statement was about collaboration to quickly get through the non provisional rating.
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If you really need your ego boosting I could resign as black following your 1. g4!! as all is then lost for me.