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A friend of mine just started playing on RHP; I challenged him to a game and was assigned White. I moved and he responded the next day. However, he is a very strong player and it's been a long time since I've beaten him OTB. Since he now has a provisional rating and he's such a tough opponent, I jokingly offered him a draw on my 2nd move, and he accepted! 😲 He claimed this was a way for him to get closer to a non provisional rating while picking up a few rating points at the same time. Not a bad idea I thought, except that our game was counted as a non rated game. Is this the policy for such very short games?

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Originally posted by AttilaTheHorn
A friend of mine just started playing on RHP; I challenged him to a game and was assigned White. I moved and he responded the next day. However, he is a very strong player and it's been a long time since I've beaten him OTB. Since he now has a provisional rating and he's such a tough opponent, I jokingly offered him a draw on my 2nd move, and he accept ...[text shortened]... that our game was counted as a non rated game. Is this the policy for such very short games?
Yes, games must have three moves played in order to be rated.

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Originally posted by AttilaTheHorn
A friend of mine just started playing on RHP; I challenged him to a game and was assigned White. I moved and he responded the next day. However, he is a very strong player and it's been a long time since I've beaten him OTB. Since he now has a provisional rating and he's such a tough opponent, I jokingly offered him a draw on my 2nd move, and he accept ...[text shortened]... that our game was counted as a non rated game. Is this the policy for such very short games?
Be careful though because these games violate the ToS.

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Originally posted by AttilaTheHorn
A friend of mine just started playing on RHP; I challenged him to a game and was assigned White. I moved and he responded the next day. However, he is a very strong player and it's been a long time since I've beaten him OTB. Since he now has a provisional rating and he's such a tough opponent, I jokingly offered him a draw on my 2nd move, and he accept ...[text shortened]... that our game was counted as a non rated game. Is this the policy for such very short games?
Please don't do this. It is rating manipulation.

P- (RHP Game Mod)

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
Please don't do this. It is rating manipulation.

P- (RHP Game Mod)
OK, that's good advice and it won't happen again. I never imagined he would accept the offer and I was paying him a bit of respect by this little practical joke. I love chess too much to do that. I apologize for it and I'll mention this to him too. I'm sure he'll see the point because he is an honourable guy.
As a matter of fact, in a kids tournament we run here, two of the stronger stonger kids agreed to a draw in advance a while ago and I was furious at them. They were surprised at my reaction and they've been as good as gold ever since.

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Originally posted by AttilaTheHorn
OK, that's good advice and it won't happen again. I never imagined he would accept the offer and I was paying him a bit of respect by this little practical joke. I love chess too much to do that. I apologize for it and I'll mention this to him too. I'm sure he'll see the point because he is an honourable guy.
As a matter of fact, in a kids tournament ...[text shortened]... s at them. They were surprised at my reaction and they've been as good as gold ever since.
Cool beans!

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Originally posted by AttilaTheHorn
OK, that's good advice and it won't happen again. I never imagined he would accept the offer and I was paying him a bit of respect by this little practical joke. I love chess too much to do that. I apologize for it and I'll mention this to him too. I'm sure he'll see the point because he is an honourable guy.
As a matter of fact, in a kids tournament ...[text shortened]... s at them. They were surprised at my reaction and they've been as good as gold ever since.
I have agreed many a draw after a single move.

Mainly in 2 circumstances

(1) where I have drawn a strong player in the 1st round of a tournament and it simply allows us both through to the next round rather than 1 of us being knocked out to early;

(2) to cut down games without jeopadising my chances in a tournament; or simply

(3) if I have too many games on the go and want to reduce a bit.

Doing this early in the game doesn't affect ratings hence it is a good time to get out of over commitments. Of course doing it a few moves later with the intention to manipulate ratings is another thing entirely and I have never done that.

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
Please don't do this. It is rating manipulation.

P- (RHP Game Mod)
Possibly, but it is an intrinsic part of the rating system for provisionals in the first 5 games, and cannot always be avoided.
If a p1200 plays an 1800, his rating rises even in defeat (the formula is 1800-400 making the score for that game 1400, as far as I see it?).
Therefore if I join the site and play 5 games against an 1800 rated player (theoretically), I would get a p-rating of 1400 on my 5th game, would I not, despite having a 0-5 result ratio?
So is this cheating, or only if I resign by consent early in the game. I am being devils advocate, as I understand the context here, but such complications are created by the rating calculation for provisionals.

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Originally posted by Policestate
Possibly, but it is an intrinsic part of the rating system for provisionals in the first 5 games, and cannot always be avoided.
If a p1200 plays an 1800, his rating rises even in defeat (the formula is 1800-400 making the score for that game 1400, as far as I see it?).
Therefore if I join the site and play 5 games against an 1800 rated player (theoreti ...[text shortened]... the context here, but such complications are created by the rating calculation for provisionals.
I have no idea what you are talking about. Here is what I see happening. 2 friends, one has no rating yet. They decide to finish games and quickly get the friend rated.

This is outside help, becuase the 2 users know each other they have decided to manipulate the system.

This isn't fair to users like me who have NO FRIENDS!

😉

The rating formula has nothing to do with my statement, my statement was about collaboration to quickly get through the non provisional rating.

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Originally posted by Phlabibit
I have no idea what you are talking about. Here is what I see happening. 2 friends, one has no rating yet. They decide to finish games and quickly get the friend rated.

This is outside help, becuase the 2 users know each other they have decided to manipulate the system.

This isn't fair to users like me who have NO FRIENDS!

😉

The rating form ...[text shortened]... my statement was about collaboration to quickly get through the non provisional rating.

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I will play you and let you have a draw on move 2.

If you really need your ego boosting I could resign as black following your 1. g4!! as all is then lost for me.

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