Originally posted by Ian CoetzeeThis is the best part of this whole thread. "The Sicilian is passive, blah blah, I am playing the Caro Kann lately"
Yeah I dont really like e5, tried it.
I'm trying the Caro Kann latly hehe.
Playing some blitz with it on fics.
Makes perfect sense (note sarcasm). Try the Phillidor next.
Originally posted by !~TONY~!no...
This is the best part of this whole thread. "The Sicilian is passive, blah blah, I am playing the Caro Kann lately"
Makes perfect sense (note sarcasm). Try the Phillidor next.
thou shalt play Caro-Kann
I love it, but I think I may have to stop playing it, because I have come across a line that I have no answer for...
as black, what the heck do i do here?
1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. e5 Bf5 mainline advanced
4. g4 Be4
5. f3 Bg6
6. h4 h6
7. h5 Bh7
now here, I used to see Bd3 with exchange and life moves on...
but just recently, on this site, I heard someone suggest
8. e6!
I cried in a dark corner for several minutes thinking that someone had refuted my Caro-Kann...
help!
please!
I beseech thee!
Originally posted by rubberjaw30Why is that good for White? I think if White had a knight on f3 that could just into f5 this would be more impressive. You should take it and play for ..e5 as fast as possible.
[fen]rn1qkbnr/pp2pppb/2p1P2p/3p3P/3P2P1/5P2/PPP5/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1[/fen]
here's that position I was talking about after e6
Originally posted by rubberjaw30Try 6...h5 instead of ...h6 and that should be fine.
no...
thou shalt play Caro-Kann
I love it, but I think I may have to stop playing it, because I have come across a line that I have no answer for...
as black, what the heck do i do here?
1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. e5 Bf5 mainline advanced
4. g4 Be4
5. f3 Bg6
6. h4 h6
7. h5 Bh7
now here, I used to see Bd3 with exchange and life moves on... ...[text shortened]... veral minutes thinking that someone had refuted my Caro-Kann...
help!
please!
I beseech thee!
Originally posted by smrex13I thought about that, but every other source says that Black must try to maintain as reserved of a pawn structure as possible with ... h6 instead...
Try 6...h5 instead of ...h6 and that should be fine.
I don't know...
as for the first guy, I know I can take it, but it just doesn't look right...
play could go
8. ... fxe6
9. Bd3
in every other Caro-Kann line I have played, I aklways exchange on d3, and I haven't spottede why I should not exchange here...
My logic is that it attempts to reduce play on the light squares, but I'm not sure if that approach is correct...
anyway:
9. ... Bxd3
10. Qxd3
now here you suggested e5
10. ... e5
now I think that white must retake the pawn and look to pound the daylights out of f7 with the queen going to g6
I may just be afraid of some "ghost threats"
I don't know, it just looks awful for black
it may not be though...
I have just had HORRIBLE experiences with pawns having to leave f7 when I have tried Caro-Kann
what does Fritz say about the moves in this line?
don't really care about whether or not it thinks g4 is bad or not, I see it all the time, so it's a line I need to know...
does Fritz give things easier for black after h5 instead of h6?
Originally posted by wormwooddisrupting white's pawn structure while waiting for the almost certain exchange on d3
I've never played caro-kann, but why would black let white kick the dark bishop around like that? that's just silly.
think of it like a French where black has given up 1-2 moves in order to rid himself of the weak light squared bishop
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Originally posted by rubberjaw30well whaddaya know, at least fritz likes it plenty. except for the ...h6. -0.11 for ...h5 and +0.62 for ...h6 at 14 plies deep.
disrupting white's pawn structure while waiting for the almost certain exchange on d3
think of it like a French where black has given up 1-2 moves in order to rid himself of the weak light squared bishop
Originally posted by rubberjaw30if nd7 in karo clan defence, then there could be a checkmate followed by qe2
I thought about that, but every other source says that Black must try to maintain as reserved of a pawn structure as possible with ... h6 instead...
I don't know...
as for the first guy, I know I can take it, but it just doesn't look right...
play could go
8. ... fxe6
9. Bd3
in every other Caro-Kann line I have played, I aklways exchange on d3, a ...[text shortened]... line I need to know...
does Fritz give things easier for black after h5 instead of h6?
Originally posted by !~TONY~!I know I know, its stupid to change openings, though I only wanted to play e5, never really did.
This is the best part of this whole thread. "The Sicilian is passive, blah blah, I am playing the Caro Kann lately"
Makes perfect sense (note sarcasm). Try the Phillidor next.
I think its good to learn the basic theory behind most openings anyway.
I have been playing the sicillian since I started andjust recently tried the caro kann, I love the position much much more.
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomI don't see Black having enough compensation for the pawn. On the other hand, after 1 e4 d5 2 ed Nf6 3 d4 Bg4 (Portugese Variation), Black gets play if White tries to hold the pawn.
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Nc3 c6 4.dxc6 Nc6
After 1 e4 d5 2 ed Nf6 3 c4 c6 4 dc Nc6, Black probably has more than enough for the pawn. The difference between this variation and your variation is that here White can't play his QP to d4.