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Originally posted by Talisman
What about somebody posting a game in the Lenningrad? it maybe very instructive.
I fancy mixing things up aginst 1.d4 myself.

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I played it against Nigel Short and was wiped off the board by him!!

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this is an example of black getting f5 AND e5 played in 1 move each. If black can do this is leningrad, it is hard NOT to have a good game. It seems white's position falls apart

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he was alot higher rated, so I was happy to trade down to a draw

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Originally posted by wormwood
yusupov vs bareev 1993

[pgn]
[Event "Munich"]
[Site "Munich"]
[Date "1993.??.??"]
[EventDate "?"]
[Round "9"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Artur Yusupov"]
[Black "Evgeny Bareev"]
[ECO "A87"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "100"]

1.d4 f5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 g6 4.g3 Bg7 5.Bg2 O-O 6.O-O d6 7.Nc3 Qe8 8.d5 a5 9.Be3 h6 10.h4 Na6 11.Qd2 Kh7 12.Rae1 ...[text shortened]... 46.Qc2 Qf6 47.Kf1 Qe5 48.g4 Qxe3 49.Rxb2 Qh3+ 50.Ke1 Qxg4 0-1

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Well i have to say yes, some very strong similarities with the KID. Looks very technical. I'm going to look in to this a bit further.

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Originally posted by Krapsparov
I played it against Nigel Short and was wiped off the board by him!!
Nigel would wipe most of us off the board no matter what opening we played. 😀

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In blitz games, I've had fun with White playing the Staunton Gambit: 1 d4 f5 e4!?

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Originally posted by wormwood
well, it's reversed leningrad, or a bird, but as practically no theory exists for it, danielsen renamed it as 'polar bear'.



grrrr! 🙂
Danielson also seems to have added elements to the system. His "Polar Bear" is more than just 1. f4; it also includes the idea of playing g3, Bg2 O-O and working during the opening to set up e4 and e5. I think with the amount of work he's put into that opening and the fact that he's a GM, he's justified in renaming it.

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Originally posted by Talisman
What about somebody posting a game in the Lenningrad? it maybe very instructive.
I fancy mixing things up aginst 1.d4 myself.
I wrote a pamphlet about two games I played against the Leningrad a few years ago. You can access the entire pamphlet--free--at http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/wulebgr/PDF/LeninDutch.pdf

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Originally posted by sh76
...His "Polar Bear" is more than just 1. f4; it also includes the idea of playing g3, Bg2 O-O and working during the opening to set up e4 and e5. I think with the amount of work he's put into that opening and the fact that he's a GM, he's justified in renaming it.
well, that's exactly why I called it a reversed leningrad (f4 Nf3 g3 Bg2 O-O e4), and noted that practically no theory exists for it. and that it is a bird, as opposed to the bird.

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Live by the Dutch, die by the Dutch. 26...Bxg3 wins, fxe2 doesn't. My opponent defends beautifully after that.

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Originally posted by bot 6
my question is.
is the dutch defense strong?
An opening is as strong as the player. A better question would be: "is the dutch defense playable?". And the answer to that would be yes. The proof being that many strong GM's are still playing it.

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Originally posted by gaychessplayer
In blitz games, I've had fun with White playing the Staunton Gambit: 1 d4 f5 e4!?
Alright, reviving an old thread...
I want to play e6 on my first move no matter e4 or d4.
If I play e6 first and want to go into a Dutch, I guess this limits me to the classical pretty much. Does anyone know of some good learning games or sites that help explain the classical Dutch? ( I want to play e6 first just to avoid all the fun gambits with white in the Dutch)

Thanks

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Playing e6 on the first move doesn't limit you to the classical, you could play stonewall (although I like the classical better). I have a book by Jan Pinski on the classical dutch, great book. Also, you have to be prepared to play french, which is an opening people usually hate or love, nothing inbetween.

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The French is what I plan on playing 🙂 ...Just hope I dont drop pawns likie Gata:'(