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  1. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    02 Apr '07 09:41 / 1 edit
    This is presumably bad. A beginners mistake!

    So bringing the queen out on move 8 then moving it 6 times in sucession so that by move 13 it is trapped on h8 must surely be bad, especially if this is a Grob and white has no other pieces developed (except a B on g2).

    Bad boy Dragon Fire. Ignoring elementary chess principles.

    So was I wrong in Game 3362658

    Edit: Oh by the way don't comment on the game as it is still in progress and I wouldn't want anyone telling me how to save my poor old lady.
  2. 02 Apr '07 10:52
    Ah yeah you missed that mate in 30 a few moves ago..shame shame
  3. 02 Apr '07 13:47
    Hmmm....I'd prefer white.
  4. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    02 Apr '07 14:05
    Originally posted by Shinidoki
    Hmmm....I'd prefer white.
    Even with 6 queen moves and 6 pawn moves and not even a knight developed yet in the 1st 13 moves?

    Shame on you!
  5. 02 Apr '07 15:39
    your opponents play is so bad you could probably beat him with just the white king left on the board...
  6. 02 Apr '07 15:46
    Short of dropping pieces, I don't think there's anything you can do that's wrong when you're 600 points ahead of your opponent.
  7. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    02 Apr '07 16:07 / 4 edits
    Originally posted by PawnChop
    your opponents play is so bad you could probably beat him with just the white king left on the board...
    It is not right that you make such unfair criticism of my opposition when it is me that

    1. played 1. g4;
    2. made 6 pawn moves in my 1st 7 moves;
    3. then moved my queen 6 times;
    4. finally my queen ends up on move 13 on h8 surrounded by his pieces.

    My play has broken all the basic opening principles.

    Edit: Remember you guys game in progress so observe don't comment. Other than generic comments of no practical use of course.

    How many more rules can I break? Can I get 9 queens and still have all my pieces? Would it be fair to even try that?
  8. 02 Apr '07 16:12
    Originally posted by Dragon Fire
    It is not right that you make such unfair criticism of my opposition when it is me that

    1. played 1. g4;
    2. made 6 pawn moves in my 1st 7 moves;
    3. then moved my queen 6 times;
    4. finally my quuen ends up on move 13 on h8 surrounded by his pieces.

    My play has broken all the basic opening principles.
    That's why they're principals and not strict rules.
  9. 02 Apr '07 18:18 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Dragon Fire
    It is not right that you make such unfair criticism of my opposition when it is me that

    1. played 1. g4;
    2. made 6 pawn moves in my 1st 7 moves;
    3. then moved my queen 6 times;
    4. finally my queen ends up on move 13 on h8 surrounded by his pieces.

    My play has broken all the basic opening principles.

    Edit: [b]Remember you guys game in progress an I break? Can I get 9 queens and still have all my pieces? Would it be fair to even try that?
    [/b]There are no "lessons" to be learned when the skill gap is so evident.

    Have a bit of class, and respect for you opponent, and talk about a more interesting (and finished) game.
  10. 02 Apr '07 18:38
    Originally posted by zebano
    That's why they're principals and not strict rules.
    Yes, an intelligent reply.
    You broke every opening rule because the game allowed you to win material, so you did. But I think we are being harsh to Dragon Fire, who shared this as an exceptional game, in that it was exceptionally unlike a normal opening. I don't think he was belittling anyone but himself. I like people who can do that and laugh. Nice one
  11. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    02 Apr '07 19:25 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Policestate
    Yes, an intelligent reply.
    You broke every opening rule because the game allowed you to win material, so you did. But I think we are being harsh to Dragon Fire, who shared this as an exceptional game, in that it was exceptionally unlike a normal opening. I don't think he was belittling anyone but himself. I like people who can do that and laugh. Nice one
    Thank you. That is exactly what I am trying to do.

    Obviously I expect to beat a player rated 600 below me and the point I am making is rules are there to be broken. My queen has gone on a sorte, I have won material and I expect to get her out (or exchange queens), and the point is it is okay to do this if the position justifies it.

    Trying for a scholars mate is stupid but if an opportunity comes up as it did on move 7 take it (Qb3 was of course a normal developing move in the Grob) as long as you can calculate yourself back to safety.

    On the forums I constantly read about rules and principles and the point is they are made to be broken. Don't stick rigidly to them, be flexible and break them at the right time.

    P.S. Heres another (in progress also so no comments) whilst we are at it.
    Rule 2: Never bring your king out early. On move 10 my King has moved 3 times and is playing an active part in the game on c3 (Game 3357510) - admittedly I was careless in allowing this but what the heck!
  12. 02 Apr '07 19:47
    Originally posted by Dragon Fire
    It is not right that you make such unfair criticism of my opposition when it is me that

    1. played 1. g4;
    2. made 6 pawn moves in my 1st 7 moves;
    3. then moved my queen 6 times;
    4. finally my queen ends up on move 13 on h8 surrounded by his pieces.

    My play has broken all the basic opening principles.

    Edit: [b]Remember you guys game in progress ...[text shortened]... an I break? Can I get 9 queens and still have all my pieces? Would it be fair to even try that?
    Maybe we should start making comments as to moves you should consider, bring this to your opponents attention and see how they wish to deal with since you will then be receiving 3rd party assistance which is not allowed.

    This thread should never have been started until the game was finished.

    I wonder what rules I would be breaking advising you what moves to make/consider next?

    How many more [i]rules can I break? Can I get 9 queens and still have all my pieces? Would it be fair to even try that?[/b][/i]

    That sounds like a request for advice on whether to obtain 9 queens or not? Are you seeking outside advice? Is that allowed on RHP? Mmmmmm.

    Maybe this thread should just be deleted and a new one started once the game is over.
  13. 02 Apr '07 20:53
    You assume that he will figure out to trap the queen. He just might miss it.
  14. Standard member Dragon Fire
    Lord of all beasts
    02 Apr '07 21:21
    Originally posted by adramforall
    Maybe we should start making comments as to moves you should consider, bring this to your opponents attention and see how they wish to deal with since you will then be receiving 3rd party assistance which is not allowed.

    This thread should never have been started until the game was finished.

    I wonder what rules I would be breaking advising you ...[text shortened]... Mmmmmm.

    Maybe this thread should just be deleted and a new one started once the game is over.
    Are you serious?

    Do you really consider that "Shall I get 9 queens?" is a serious question and that I am seeking your help to do it. No! I am just demonstrating my contempt for sound opening principles.

  15. 03 Apr '07 02:36
    Originally posted by Dragon Fire
    Rule 2: Never bring your king out early. On move 10 my King has moved 3 times and is playing an active part in the game on c3 (Game 3357510) - admittedly I was careless in allowing this but what the heck!
    Your king has moved twice.