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  1. Standard member ivan2908
    SelfProclaimedTitler
    05 Jul '08 12:44 / 1 edit
    Not at 7th move of some particular variation but some first or second moves, sharp gambits right away. If it is a bit unsound it doesn't matter.

    so gimme something interesting against English, Queen Pawn game, Bird system, even against 1. e4 when I play as black,something against Ruy Lopez except Morphy defense or Berlin defence with endless theory and gimme something sharp and open against French defence, Caro Kann and other.

    It doesn't have to be sound as hell, I wan't some early deviations from normal quiet openings, suitable for quick kills !

    Thanks in advance !

    P. S. If you have a game to show with particular sharpy opening I would appreciate your PGN greatly.
  2. 05 Jul '08 12:56 / 2 edits
    The ones I've played that I like...

    As white:
    King's Gambit
    Smith Morra (anti-sicillian)

    As black

    vrs d4
    Benko Gambit

    vrs e4
    ??
    (Italian Game) Play the Traxler
    (Roy Lopez)if sharp but no gambit is ok, try the fishing pole (as dubbed by Brian Wall)
    1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. 0-0 Ng4!?


    vrs c4
    ??? - the only truly sharp lines I can think of here are symetric variation with early d5 by black then cxd, Nxd, e4
  3. 05 Jul '08 13:13 / 1 edit
    Against the French: 1. e4 e6 2. b3 d5 3. Bb2 (Reti Gambit)
    Against the Sicilian: 1. e4 c5 2. d4 ed 3. c3 dc 4. Nxc3 (Smith-Morra Gambit)
    Against Scandinavian: 1. e4 d5 2. d4 (Blackmar-Diemer Gambit)
    Against 1. e4 e5: 1. e4 e5 2. f4 (King's Gambit)
    Against 1. d4: Benko Gambit
    Against 1. e4: I suppose responding e5 is open enough. There is never any need to get into a Ruy if you play the Latvian.
    Against 1. c4 I think the reversed sicilian can't be that bad.
  4. 05 Jul '08 13:22
    As black against 1. e4, try the Icelandic gambit:

    1. e4 d5
    2. exd5 Nf6
    3. c4 e6
    4. dxe6 Bxe6

    It is no longer the poison pill it used to be, but it can be quite effective against many players and it is great fun to play, especially in fast games.

    Cheers,
    T.
  5. 05 Jul '08 16:53
    Against 1.c4 the only other real gambit I can think of is 1...e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 e4 4.Ng5 b5!? The Bellon Gambit if I recall. Wouldn't touch it with a bargepole myself though!
  6. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    05 Jul '08 16:56
    Originally posted by ivan2908
    Not at 7th move of some particular variation but some first or second moves, sharp gambits right away. If it is a bit unsound it doesn't matter.

    so gimme something interesting against English, Queen Pawn game, Bird system, even against 1. e4 when I play as black,something against Ruy Lopez except Morphy defense or Berlin defence with endless theory and g ...[text shortened]... f you have a game to show with particular sharpy opening I would appreciate your PGN greatly.
    Against the Ruy: the Schliemann defence/Jaenisch gambit. Great, great fun!

  7. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    05 Jul '08 16:59
    And some more examples

    Thread 93405
  8. Standard member ivan2908
    SelfProclaimedTitler
    05 Jul '08 17:15
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    Against the Ruy: the Schliemann defence/Jaenisch gambit. Great, great fun!

    [pgn]1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 f5[/pgn]
    Cool, thanks ! I plan build nasty OTB net of openings, I want to have gambit reply to everything so help of all of you so far is really much appreciated.
  9. 05 Jul '08 21:24
    Originally posted by ivan2908
    Cool, thanks ! I plan build nasty OTB net of openings, I want to have gambit reply to everything so help of all of you so far is really much appreciated.
    Ask squelchbelch then !
    Actually the trouble with your request is that gambit play being very sharp, there are many forced lines where it's hard to have good results without knowing theory!
    Especially in the old romantic lines that many amateur know (such as fegatello, muzio in the KG, danish gambit etc...)

    So either you don't want theory, in which case the best is to learn some "system" (usually quiet setup suitable against many move orders), or you want sharp play and gambits, in which case you''l have to face theory sooner or later (at least when you play club players, above 1700)

    Maybe i can think of some systems that bring sharp play, for instance with white the setup e4/Nc3/Bc4/d3/f4...i don't play it but i think it might fit for agressive play without too much theory (anyone who plays this please correct me if i'm wrong)

    I've been playing gambits and sharp openings for 20 years and what i can tell you is that it's real hard to force a sharp opening on someone who doesn't want it...especially with black. So you'll have to learn to play "normal chess" too
  10. 05 Jul '08 21:54 / 1 edit
    There is quite a good gambit against the main line ruy lopez - the marshall gambit. It is one of the best ones going, and worth knowing for any e5 player as black.
  11. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    05 Jul '08 21:57 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Tyrannosauruschex
    There is quite a good gambit against the main line ruy lopez - the marshall gambit. It is one of the best ones going, and worth knowing for any e5 player as black.
    Marshall gambit is sound but it have some drawbacks:

    1) Large amount of theory;
    2) Playing Ruy white can avoid it without any problems and fight for advantage in several anti-Marshall systems. Like Kasparov did in his 1993 match with Short.
  12. 05 Jul '08 22:16
    Originally posted by Korch
    Marshall gambit is sound but it have some drawbacks:

    1) Large amount of theory;
    2) Playing Ruy white can avoid it without any problems and fight for advantage in several anti-Marshall systems. Like Kasparov did in his 1993 match with Short.
    Supposedly, Peter Leko always thought that the Marshall gambit was unsound, but begin playing it after learning Jimi Hendrixs middle name was Marshall...random food for thought
  13. 06 Jul '08 00:10
    Hendrix was originally named Johhny Allen Henrix - the
    name Allen was removed and replaced with Marshall four/five
    yers later - nobody knows why.

    Frank Marshall's middle name was James and people called
    James are often called Jimmy (Jimi).
  14. 06 Jul '08 00:17
    You could try the Balogh counter gambit: 1.e4,d6 2.d4,f5!? It's most likely not sound but you're almost garantueed your opponents,even the most seasoned ones, have never seen this before.
  15. Standard member black beetle
    Black Beastie
    07 Jul '08 10:22
    Originally posted by Katastroof
    You could try the Balogh counter gambit: 1.e4,d6 2.d4,f5!? It's most likely not sound but you're almost garantueed your opponents,even the most seasoned ones, have never seen this before.
    Smith-Morra is pitiful when the Black knows how to proceed; just check a game I had against an ideal Smith-Morra, which was a clear win for the White;
    [Event "Casual Game"]
    [Site "http://www.itsyourturn.com"]
    [Date "2008.02.24"]
    [Round "*"]
    [White "Don"]
    [Black "black beetle"]
    [Result "0-1"]
    [Ply "58"]

    1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. c3 dxc3 5. Nxc3 Nc6
    6. Bc4 e6 7. O-O Be7 8. Qe2 Nf6 9. Rd1 e5 10. h3 O-O
    11. Nd5 Be6 12. Nxe7+ Qxe7 13. Bg5 h6 14. Bh4 Bxc4
    15. Qxc4 Rac8 16. Rac1 g5 17. Bg3 Nh5 18. Rc3 Nxg3
    19. fxg3 Nd4 20. Qd3 Rxc3 21. bxc3 Nxf3+ 22. Qxf3 Rc8
    23. g4 Rc6 24. Qe3 Ra6 25. Qe2 Kg7 26. Rb1 Ra5 27. Kh2
    Qd7 28. Rf1 Ra4 29. Qc2 b5 0-1

    best regards