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    04 Mar '07 04:29
    Some numbers from http://www.chessgames.com/

    After 1. e4 white has a 37% win rate and the draw rate is 34%. Black wins only 29% of the time.

    After 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 exd5 *black* wins 30% of the time, white a mere 26%, and fully 44% of games are drawn.
  2. warum?
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    04 Mar '07 11:52
    Originally posted by rubberjaw30
    can anyone find a GM game with this line?
    i don't know what sites to go to, and gogle always gives me a bunch of crap that has nothing to do with what I am looking for...
    too bad wikipedia doesn't offer a chess database by opening...
    Maurice Ashley used to play the exchange variation from the White side... you can check out his games at www.chesslab.com
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    04 Mar '07 11:56
    Originally posted by Diet Coke
    Let's play.

    Edit: I tried to challenge rubberjaw, but my rating is to high for him.
    Diet Coke, your probably a great player...

    But why should you always pretend that your better than everyone else?

    Seriously, everyone starts somewhere, so give ppl a break.

    I've only been playing a bit more than 2 months now and probably dont at all have the experiance you have, and I respect you for that.

    Just respect those who want to learn.

    Im not trying to start a feud here. Just wanted to point that out.
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    05 Mar '07 04:32
    cmsMaster pretty much explains it in his post. Basically, when you go 3. exd5 exd5, your trading your e4 pawn for black's e6 pawn. Now black's problem bishop has a free game, and he has an equal share of the center. So less bite than the usual 3. e5 or 3. Nc3 variations, but still respectable.
  5. Kalamazoo, MI
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    05 Mar '07 05:20
    Originally posted by Zander 88
    cmsMaster pretty much explains it in his post. Basically, when you go 3. exd5 exd5, your trading your e4 pawn for black's e6 pawn. Now black's problem bishop has a free game, and he has an equal share of the center. So less bite than the usual 3. e5 or 3. Nc3 variations, but still respectable.
    Exactly.
  6. London
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    05 Mar '07 10:05
    Kasparov played the French Exchange three times in serious games. He beat Salov and Kortchnoi, and drew against Short but should have won.
  7. Standard memberDiet Coke
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    05 Mar '07 10:07
    Originally posted by TommyC
    Kasparov played the French Exchange three times in serious games. He beat Salov and Kortchnoi, and drew against Short but should have won.
    The french refuted!

    😛
  8. 127.0.0.1
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    05 Mar '07 13:46
    Originally posted by TommyC
    Kasparov played the French Exchange three times in serious games. He beat Salov and Kortchnoi, and drew against Short but should have won.
    Kasparov also won with the Scotch and the Evans gambit. Openings which are not often considered good enough to win with at GM level. That is more of a credit to Kasparov than anything else. The point someone made about dynamism in the position is essential to understanding. Lacking that, neither player really has much chance to win. However, if there is a big enough difference in skill level, the better player will probably win regardless.
  9. London
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    05 Mar '07 14:06
    Originally posted by zebano
    Kasparov also won with the Scotch and the Evans gambit. Openings which are not often considered good enough to win with at GM level. That is more of a credit to Kasparov than anything else. The point someone made about dynamism in the position is essential to understanding. Lacking that, neither player really has much chance to win. However, if there is a big enough difference in skill level, the better player will probably win regardless.
    There are lots of non-dynamic openings that offer winning chances, eg the QGD.
  10. 127.0.0.1
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    05 Mar '07 14:171 edit
    Originally posted by TommyC
    There are lots of non-dynamic openings that offer winning chances, eg the QGD.
    I don't think you understand what I mean by dynmics. Dynamics refers simply to short term imbalances. The QGD has them in spades, the only one offered by the french exchange is half a move.

    Edit: Dynamics != Tactics.
  11. London
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    05 Mar '07 14:35
    Originally posted by zebano
    I don't think you understand what I mean by dynmics. Dynamics refers simply to short term imbalances. The QGD has them in spades, the only one offered by the french exchange is half a move.

    Edit: Dynamics != Tactics.
    That's *not* what 'dynamics' means in chess terminology!
  12. Standard memberUmbrageOfSnow
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    05 Mar '07 16:46
    Originally posted by TommyC
    That's *not* what 'dynamics' means in chess terminology!
    != means 'not equal to"
  13. London
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    05 Mar '07 16:49
    Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnow
    != means 'not equal to"
    I know.

    So what?
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    05 Mar '07 16:50
    Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnow
    != means 'not equal to"
    yeah...
    but anyway...
    as far as i am concerned about this opening:
    it gains the measly half-move, and it also accomplishes getting black out of book french defense...
    which technically isn't an advantage...
    but it can be useful in OTB play...
  15. Standard memberUmbrageOfSnow
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    05 Mar '07 19:33
    Originally posted by TommyC
    I know.

    So what?
    Sorry, I just thought that your objection to his post was thinking he meant tactics = dynamics.
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