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  1. Standard member bannedplayer306509
    Best Loser
    12 Mar '07 19:51
    I personally never use them as white, but a bit of analysis with fritz and practice OTB has lead me to believe that when used properly, white can pretty much always go up a pawn. Black might get some counterplay, but at intermediate levels, material is a lot more important, because advanced beginners often waste occasional moves. Your thoughts?
  2. 12 Mar '07 19:55
    What???

    You start out with fianchettos and somehow conclude that white can win a pawn? This is false.
  3. Standard member bannedplayer306509
    Best Loser
    12 Mar '07 19:58
    I'm pretty sure it involves a black blunder... i'll look for a few games and post them on here in a bit, but i know fritz rates the kings fianchetto pretty highly, i was surprised.

    ps: i don't agree with it either, just a theory.
  4. Standard member Ragnorak
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    12 Mar '07 20:03
    Originally posted by ih8sens
    ps: i don't agree with it either, just a theory.
    Who's theory? "Always go up a pawn" and "involves a black blunder" do not equate in my mind.

    D
  5. Standard member bannedplayer306509
    Best Loser
    12 Mar '07 20:06
    ... i said 'pretty much' after the 'blunder' .. makes sense to me...
    i'm just saying the line is actually much sharper, and that the fans of fianchetto's might have something to stand on.
    It's like the french, those that don't know it will get beat by it.
  6. Standard member Diet Coke
    Forum Vampire
    12 Mar '07 20:08
    Originally posted by ih8sens
    ... i said 'pretty much' after the 'blunder' .. makes sense to me...
    i'm just saying the line is actually much sharper, and that the fans of fianchetto's might have something to stand on.
    It's like the french, those that don't know it will get beat by it.
    The french is a suprise weapon?
  7. 12 Mar '07 20:18
    Originally posted by ih8sens
    I personally never use them as white, but a bit of analysis with fritz and practice OTB has lead me to believe that when used properly, white can pretty much always go up a pawn. Black might get some counterplay, but at intermediate levels, material is a lot more important, because advanced beginners often waste occasional moves. Your thoughts?
    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fianchetto It is a result of hypermodernism in chess
  8. Standard member bannedplayer306509
    Best Loser
    12 Mar '07 20:20
    Originally posted by jsmith
    See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fianchetto It is a result of hypermodernism in chess
    interesting.
  9. 12 Mar '07 20:24 / 4 edits
    Originally posted by Diet Coke
    The french is a suprise weapon?
    Dunno about that but it's a pain in the a$$!


    I regularly use fianchetto openings as black (Sicilian Dragon & Dutch defence) but rarely use them as white as they don't fit in with my favourite white openings.
    The long-term power of the bishop on either long diagonal can be highly influencial & shouldn't be underestimated.


    Here's a double fianchetto in a Hippopotamus game by move 4!

    1.g3...e5
    2.Bg2...Nc6
    3.b3...Bc5
    4.Bb2
    Game 2795950
  10. Standard member Ragnorak
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    12 Mar '07 20:39
    Originally posted by Squelchbelch
    Dunno about that but it's a pain in the a$$!


    I regularly use fianchetto openings as black (Sicilian Dragon & Dutch defence) but rarely use them as white as they don't fit in with my favourite white openings.
    The long-term power of the bishop on either long diagonal can be highly influencial & shouldn't be underestimated.


    Here's a double fia ...[text shortened]... 2795950[/gid]
    [fen]r1bqk1nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/2b1p3/8/1P4P1/PBPPPPBP/RN1QK1NR b KQkq - 0 4[/fen]
    You totally misplayed the opening.

    D
  11. 12 Mar '07 20:42 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by Ragnorak
    You totally misplayed the opening.

    D
    Huh?
    I though I played a textbook ultra-hyper-megamodern Hippo to move 9!


    The reason being the knights on d2 & e2, both bishops fianchettoed & I'm ready to advance pawns & exploit any poor move from black.
    In the hippo, you don't really have a plan past the first 10 moves or so - but you hope your lack of plan is compensated for by the oddness of the position & a bad plan from your opponent.


    I did win the game, so it can't have been all bad!
  12. 13 Mar '07 00:33
    That's really not sound reasoning. You could have completely misplayed the opening and still won from a blunder.
  13. 13 Mar '07 00:39
    Originally posted by exigentsky
    That's really not sound reasoning. You could have completely misplayed the opening and still won from a blunder.
    Welcome to the world of the Hippopotamus.
    Apparently it plays well against a computer, because the program has to form a plan early on & they have trouble doing that.
    I still say at move 9 in the position above I have a very solid, if rather dull opening.
    Where are the weaknesses in that position?

    By the way, I don't play the Hippo any more as it was just an experiment & all that nudging of pawns in closed positions doesn't really suit my style.
  14. 13 Mar '07 00:45
    Originally posted by ih8sens
    I personally never use them as white, but a bit of analysis with fritz and practice OTB has lead me to believe that when used properly, white can pretty much always go up a pawn. Black might get some counterplay, but at intermediate levels, material is a lot more important, because advanced beginners often waste occasional moves. Your thoughts?
    what???
    I don't care how you play it...
    putting a bishop on g2 or b2 does not magically garuntee a free pawn...
    even against not-so-proper defence
    that is like saying that I can move my king to f4 by move 4 and garuntee a rounded up pawn (dramatized of course)
  15. 13 Mar '07 00:45
    Originally posted by Squelchbelch
    Huh?
    I though I played a textbook ultra-hyper-megamodern Hippo to move 9!


    The reason being the knights on d2 & e2, both bishops fianchettoed & I'm ready to advance pawns & exploit any poor move from black.
    In the hippo, you don't really have a plan past the first 10 moves or so - but you hope your lack of plan is compensated for by the oddness ...[text shortened]... 1PP1P1/PBPNNPBP/R2Q1RK1 b - - 0 9[/fen]

    I did win the game, so it can't have been all bad!
    bishops work best in pairs, not crossfire