Originally posted by GorgarI love gambits and I hate the French but this is a line I don't know.
Been trying this OTB but I often have difficulties finding compensation for the pawn(s).Black's position looks a bit too solid to justify the gambit.Or maybe I just lack understanding of the position and need more practice.
Anyone any thoughts?Games?Pet lines?
Maybe it will be my salvation.
Does it derive from another variation in the French? What are the moves? I can't find it in my book!
Originally posted by Dragon FireIt derives from the french advance.Like Anthias showed.The idea is to sac both the d and e-pawn to get a fast attack.Of course,Black can opt to accept just 1 pawn or none at all.
I love gambits and I hate the French but this is a line I don't know.
Maybe it will be my salvation.
Does it derive from another variation in the French? What are the moves? I can't find it in my book!
1.e4,e6 2.d4,d5 3.e5,c5 4.c3,Nc6 5.Nf3,Qb6 6.Bd3,cxd4 (The correct move order is important cause if Bd7 now,white has dxc5 which is good for white)7.cxd4 (a little trap here,black cannot make the captures on d4 just yet cause then he loses the queen after Bb5+).Hence 7....,Bd7! (removing the Bb5+ trap) 8.Nc3,Nxd4 9.Nxd4,Qxd4 10.0-0 here Black must decide to grab the 2nd pawn or not.
Originally posted by Sicilian Smauga Panov attack vrs the french? I rather doubt it if only because you have removed blacks biggest weakness, the trapping of his c8 bishop. YOu are also volunteering to have an isolani which I personally try to avoid...I have played against that twice, once was a blitz game which I won and one was on here (and I lost).
I'm interested in finding a new approach to combat the French, I hate playing against the Winawer more than anything. Considering playing:
1.e4 e6
2.d4 d5
3.ed ed
4.c4
When next up against the French.
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Originally posted by Sicilian SmaugI've had some succes with the Kings Indian Attack against the French - here are some moves from a game shown in Angus Dunnington's book played by Hodgson - Seirawan in 1986
I'm interested in finding a new approach to combat the French, I hate playing against the Winawer more than anything. Considering playing:
1.e4 e6
2.d4 d5
3.ed ed
4.c4
When next up against the French.
1.e4...e6
2.d3...d5
3.Nd2...Nf6
4.Ngf3...c5
5.g3...b6
6.Bg2...Bb7
7. 0-0...Nc6
8.Re1...Be7
9.c3
These are typical moves for the KIA, fianchettoing the Kings Bishop etc and I also like bringing the c1 Knight to cover the e4 pawn. I reckon/hope that French players might underestimate my playing strenghth when they see 2.d3 and then might not be so familiar with this line as it evolves. The board does get quite cramped! In theory - it avoids French theory!
Originally posted by zebanoIt's a standard line in the French Exchange. It's pretty much equal as I understand it (whatever relevance that has at my level). The French Exchange is just boring though.
a Panov attack vrs the french? I rather doubt it if only because you have removed blacks biggest weakness, the trapping of his c8 bishop. YOu are also volunteering to have an isolani which I personally try to avoid...I have played against that twice, once was a blitz game which I won and one was on here (and I lost).
On the original topic, I've played the French for years and have never had the Milner-Barry gambit played against me. I'm not really sure what the compensation is so I don't know what the best plan is on either side.
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Originally posted by cmsMasterIf you guys want a to play a gambit against the French I can only suggest one- The Reti Gambit. No, you haven't heard of it, yes it's active, and there's compensation for the pawn (which white grabs back 90% of the time anyway) and yes, it's very fun. 🙂 OTB I've played one game with it...score 1-0.
Waitzkin liked this approach.
1.e4! e6??
2.b3!! d5
3.Bb2!!
Common lines
1.e4 e6
2.b3 d5
3.Bb2 Nf6
4.e5 Nfd7
5.Qg4
(Theoretical Mainline)
1.e4 e6
2.b3 d5
3.Bb2 dxe4
4.Nc3 Nf6
5.Qe2 Bb4
6.0-0-0 Bxc3
1.e4 e6
2.b3 d5
3.Bb2 c5
4.ed5 ed5
5.d4/5.Nf3/5.Bb5
Games
Sicilian Style...
Georgiev,K (2470) - Jovicevic,B (2300) [B20]
JUG-chT Nis, 1994
1.e4 c5 2.b3 e6 3.Bb2 d6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.e5 dxe5 6.Nxe5 Be7 7.f4 Nbd7 8.Nc3 a6 9.Qf3 Qc7 10.0-0-0! 0-0 11.Bd3 Nxe5 12.fxe5 Nd7 13.Rde1 c4 14.bxc4 Nc5 15.Ne4 Nxd3+ 16.Qxd3 Rd8 17.Qf3 Qxc4 18.Rhf1 Rf8 19.Nf6+ Kh8 20.Re4 Qb5 21.a4 Qc6 22.Rh4 h6 23.Qf4 1-0
Cherniaev,A (2430) - Nikolenko,O (2485) [C00]
Moscow Alekhine op Moscow (4), 1996
1.e4 e6 2.b3 d5 3.Bb2 dxe4 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Qe2 Nc6 6.Nxe4 Nd4 7.Qd3 c5 8.Nf3 Nxf3+ 9.Qxf3 Nxe4 10.Qxe4 Qd5 11.Qe3 Bd7 12.0-0-0 Bc6 13.f3 0-0-0 14.Bc4 Qd7 15.d4 cxd4 16.Bxd4 Ba3+ 17.Kb1 a6 18.Be2 Qe7 19.Bxg7 Rxd1+ 20.Rxd1 Rd8 21.Bd3 Rd5 22.Be5 Qc5 23.Qxc5 Bxc5 24.Bf4 Bd6 25.Bxd6 Rxd6 26.c4 Rd8 27.Kc2 Rg8 28.Rd2 a5 29.Kc3 h5 30.h4 Kc7 31.a3 b6 32.Bb1 e5 33.Bf5 Rh8 34.b4 axb4+ 35.axb4 Ra8 36.b5 Be8 37.Kb4 Ra1 38.c5 Rh1 39.cxb6+ Kxb6 40.Rd6+ Kc7 41.Ra6 Rxh4+ 42.Kc5 Rd4 43.b6+ Kb8 44.Be4 Ra4 45.Rxa4 Bxa4 46.Kd6 f5 47.Bxf5 Kb7 48.Kc5 h4 1-0
Garbarino,R (2325) - Dienavorian,M (2285) [C00]
Casilda Casilda (5), 1984
1.e4 e6 2.b3 d5 3.Bb2 dxe4 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Qe2 Nc6 6.0-0-0 Nd4 7.Qe1 Be7 8.d3 c5 9.dxe4 Qc7 10.e5 Nd7 11.f4 b6 12.Nge2 Nxe2+ 13.Bxe2 a6 14.Ne4 Bb7 15.Nd6+ Bxd6 16.exd6 Qd8 17.Qg3 Rg8 18.Bd3 g6 19.f5 1-0