I've never played Fritz and that aspect isn't important to me. However, engines are invaluable analysis tools. As long as chess isn't solved, an increase in strength is important. If you examine how opening theory has changed due to Rybka, you'll probably agree. Still, I'm not interested in Fritz 12 because:
a. it is a single core engine and would thus be even weaker than Deep Fritz 11
b. Rybks is still stronger and the two programs now have similar styles anyway
c.it has that craptastic ribbon interface
d. it forces me to spend an extra 30 seconds to boot-up Windows in VMWare or Parallels (I prefer OS X)
Deep Shredder 12 should be more interesting to me.
Originally posted by exigentsky+1.
I've never played Fritz and that aspect isn't important to me. However, engines are invaluable analysis tools. As long as chess isn't solved, an increase in strength is important. If you examine how opening theory has changed due to Rybka, you'll probably agree. Still, I'm not interested in Fritz 12 because:
a. it is a single core engine and would thu ...[text shortened]... n VMWare or Parallels (I prefer OS X)
Deep Shredder 12 should be more interesting to me.
Originally posted by Winston SmithWell it 's not just a matter of a twist of the wrist I reckon😵
I own a motorcycle,a 10 year old race replica,that has 148 horsepower of which I can use approx 100 because I'm not riding it on a racetrack,and because I'm a rubbish pilot.
My friend bought a new motorcycle that has 180hp of which he can use approx 100 for the same reasons.
When we go for a ride he cannot pull away an inch but in the pub he beats me with 32hp.
Same thing different setting.
Originally posted by RevRSleekerToo heavy and not a racing one; an RSR250 would do even today😵
Apologies, I didn't add my post:
Going on from this link to motorcycles, you have me curious...I am a vintage bike fanatic but interested in most things two wheels..10yrs old with 148bhp, maybe an R1 but there are others I know ? Crank figures always confuse me as to why they publish but the R1 was certainly a good 130 odd hp monster. A future classic indeed
Originally posted by greenpawn34Scooters they are not; screamers they are not too, but they are OK.
Then back pedal to previous page.
We are talking about Fritz 11 v Fritz 12 and these two are trying
to hi-jack the thread by talking about their scooters.
Who needs Fritz Sweet Lil' 16 afterall? Any older version would do (for me, that is)😵
Originally posted by greenpawn34Well, if you have a an '80s' Batsford's Keene -why do you want a new repertoire?
You lot would make good politicians you have mastered
the art of NOT answering the question.
Q: If you have Fritz 11 - Why do you want Fritz 12?
One comes on and talks about CM500 and another about some
biker gang he is in where they race each other to the pub on clapped
out 10 year old motorcycles. 😕
How do you know the version they are putting out is stronger than Frtz11?
How can you tell?
And why?
How do you know that the new repertoire they are putting out is stronger than Keene's?
How can you tell?
And why?
😵
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Originally posted by Goshenhey, that thing used to beat me every time on it's easiest level when I first started chess. I didn't know anything about the game or how to LEARN anything about the game, it was such a frustration.
Nagaskaki is the best!!!
Now that you reminded that to me, I'll have to go settle the score.
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Originally posted by black beetleTypical of you lot.
Well, if you have a an '80s' Batsford's Keene -why do you want a new repertoire?
How do you know that the new repertoire they are putting out is stronger than Keene's?
How can you tell?
And why?
😵
Dodge the question because you don't like the answer.
So far you have compared Fritz12 to CM5000, Motor Cycles, girl tennis
players and now opening analysis of the 80's.
Beetle.
I can see by looking at games played today and games from the 80's
that there has been an improvement.
Here we have a program that none of us beat, most of us don't
know how it works and yet they are bringing out a (claimed) stronger version.
How do we know it's stronger and more to the point, why do we want
another chess progrsam that can wipe the floor with us.
Why?
Now I'm sorry if the thought of a Fritz12 release has you so excited
that you are having trouble containing your bladders but stop for
a moment and consider what you are doing before you update.
(or is the word re-date - paying for a program to replace a program
you are already happy with?......No the word is MUG )
I went to the DB site to read their blurb.
'FRITZ is now even faster' - Great. Now we can beat even quicker.
'FRITZ prepares you for serious encounters over the chessboard.'
......er total bollocks. Most of the punters who buy it don't have
serious over the chessboard encounters.
FRITZ helps you to find friends......😕
Originally posted by greenpawn34If you enjoy playing on the Playchess server, the cost of a new version of Fritz isn't much more than a 1-year subscription to the server. So for just a little more than the price of a subscription, you get access to the server for a year, and you get an updated Fritz version, usually with some new bells & whistles. (And ideally, some of those new features would be aimed at making the server experience better.) If there's one thing Chessbase is good at, it's marketing.
Why?
99.99% of the chess playing population cannot beat Fritz 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10 & 11.
Why do you want another chess program you cannot beat?
BTW, I'm not a huge Chessbase fan. The last Fritz version I bought was Fritz 8.
Originally posted by greenpawn34I see your point, and I agree that I stand no chance against the machine no matter if it 's the version 10, 11, 12 or 22. However I assume that the new program could be updated and faster, thus more valuable for a professional who wants to go really deep into his, say, opening preparation. And I think that a professional could really spot differences from version to version although I do not know how and why.
Typical of you lot.
Dodge the question because you don't like the answer.
So far you have compared Fritz12 to CM5000, Motor Cycles, girl tennis
players and now opening analysis of the 80's.
Beetle.
I can see by looking at games played today and games from the 80's
that there has been an improvement.
Here we have a program that none of us ...[text shortened]... e
serious over the chessboard encounters.
FRITZ helps you to find friends......😕
Also it seems to me that, just as the common player is able to evaluate that the given repertoires from the '80s are worst than the ones of this period, a GM is able to evaluate that the updated version is able to offer even sharper variations due to better prunning etc -but this is merely a speculation.
Anyway I would prefer to buy something from Quality Chess or a Dvoretsky or Marovic instead of doin' the locomotion