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  1. 24 Nov '08 22:37
    Hi.

    I won't take two hours to say wath I want, I shearch for gambits, with very strong play, but very unclear. I'll also take very offensive lines,

    For what I know.

    Traxler counter attack, king's gambit, dutch and so on.
    I also need a gambit for black with the caro-kann.
  2. 24 Nov '08 22:39 / 1 edit
    I like in blitz Staunton Gambit against Dutch as white, but I have never tried it in a long game...I plan to use it...no idea if it is sound or not..edit: sorry, I did not read your question carefull, my post is not related
  3. 24 Nov '08 22:43
    If you want a gambit with black vs 1.e4 you may be forced to play 1. ...e5.

    1.e4 e5 2.Nf3

    A. 2. ... d5 (Very Risky)
    B. 2. ... f5 (Slightly Suspect But Playable)
    C. 2. ... d6 3.d4 f5 (Very Risky)
    D. 2. ... Nc6 3.Bb5 f5 (Played By GM's)

    White vs Caro-Kann
    1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nf3 dxe4 4.Ng5 (Risky)
    1.e4 c6 2.Bc4 d5 3.Bb3 dxe4 Qh5 (Very Risky)
    1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.f3/4.Bc4 (Suspect But Playable)


    I could go on and on.
  4. Subscriber AttilaTheHorn
    Erro Ergo Sum
    24 Nov '08 23:22
    Who was it who said that a gambit is an opening played that will make you appear dashing at the expense of losing?
  5. 25 Nov '08 00:11 / 1 edit
    Tarrasch
  6. 25 Nov '08 11:28
    Originally posted by AttilaTheHorn
    Who was it who said that a gambit is an opening played that will make you appear dashing at the expense of losing?
    Siegbert Tarrasch in an interview by "Chess Review" in 1935

    Q: What is the object of playing a gambit opening?
    A: To gain the reputation of being a dashing player at the cost of losing a game.
    Q: Account briefly for the popularity of the Queen Pawn Opening in matches of a serious nature.
    A: Laziness.
    Q: What is the duty of an umpire where a player willfully upsets the board?
    A: Remove the bottle.
    Q: What exceptional circumstances will justify the stopping of clocks during a tournament game?
    A: Strangling a photographer.
  7. 25 Nov '08 12:12
    All joking aside, gambits to teach you a few things. You learn aggression. You learn to take advantage of every opportunity. They even help your tactics. You may eventually have to give them up, but they are part of the learning curve.
  8. 25 Nov '08 21:44
    And which gambit or opening shoudl I use to get attack.

    Dutch, Bird, king's gambit.

    What I need is an opening with the same attack as the traxler.
  9. 25 Nov '08 22:17
    1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf3 5.Nxf3

    can give white some good attacking chances

    A. 5. ... e6 6.Bg5 Be7 7.Bd3 0-0

    White plays 0-0, Qe1, Qh4 (threatening Bxf6 and Qxh7 mate)
    Sometimes blacks plays h6 and white plays Bxh6 gxh6 Qxh6.

    B. 5. ... g6 6.Bc4 Bg7 7.0-0 0-0 8.Qe1 (8.Bg5 or 6.Bg5 are interesting as well)

    This time the idea is Qh4, Bh6, and Ng5.
    Again white plays for the kingside attack

    C. 5. ... Bg4 6.h3 Bxf3 (Bh5 see next note) 7.Qxf3 c6 8.Be3

    with the idea of Bd3, 0-0, Rf2, Raf1 and maybe g4

    D. 5. ... Bf5 6.Ne5 e6 7.g4 Bg6 (Similar to Bh5 above 7.g4 Bg6 8.Ne5)
    8.Qf3 c6 9.g5 Nd5 10.Bd3
    with pressure on the f7 square

    E. 3.Nc3 e5 4.Qh5 !? (4.dxe5 is easy equality but dull)

    F. 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 Bf5 5.fxe4 Nxe4 6.Qf3

    This is just a basic overview of the gambit.
    It isn't 100% sound and GM's dont play it.
    It is a pretty good weapon below master level though.

    Would you like some more?
  10. 25 Nov '08 23:13
    Yes, I would. I know what is the spirit of gambit.
    There is surely gm Who would play things as king's gambit.
  11. 26 Nov '08 00:08
    There are a couple problems with the King's Gambit.

    It has a few "refutations" floating about, but they are really not so terribly awful for white.

    The biggest problem is the number of different defenses black can play. (Many of which don't give white the attacking game he/she is hoping for.)

    1.e4 e5 2.f4

    A. 2. ... d5 3.exd5 e4 4.d3 Nf6 5.dxe4 Nxe4 6.Nf3 Bc5 7.Qe2 Bf5 8.Nc3 Qe7 9.Be3 is actually analyzed out to a better ending for white.
    This line really puts the whole Falkbeer with 2. ... d5 in bad shape.

    B. 2. ... Bc5 is playable for black. 3.Nf3 d6 4. Nc3 (This is a nice move because it keeps the option of Bb5 open for white.) Nf6 5.Bc4 is the typical King's Gambit Declined. White plays d3, sometimes Na4 to win the two bishops, and sometimes white can rush in a kingside attack with f5, h3, g4, etc.

    C. 2. ... exf4 (The main accepted variation)

    C.1. 3.Bc4 Nf6 (3. ... Qh4+ 4.Kf1 is fine for white. White will gain time with Nf3 attacking the queen later.) 4.Nc3 (4.d3/4.Qe2 are interesting as well) c6 or Bb4 are the main lines for black.

    C.2. 3.Nf3

    Here is where black has so many choices

    3. ... g5 is the old main line
    3. ... d6 is the Fischer variation
    3. ... d5 is the Modern variation
    3. ... Nf6 is also interesting

    3. ... d5 4.exd5 Nf6 5.Nc3 is interesting Nxd5 6.Nxd5 Qxd5 7.d4 is one variation. I don't think 5.Nc3 is the main line, but it can be used here and against

    3. ... Nf6 4.Nc3 d5 transposes

    3. ... d6 4.d4 g5 5.h4 g4 6.Ng1 Qf6 7.Nc3 c6 8.Nge2 Bh6 9.g3 is one variation Black is very weak on the f-file. If 9. ... f3, white gets control of the f4 square.

    3. ... g5 4.Bc4 (4.h4 is the usual move, but it has its problems theoretically. g4 5.Ne5 ... 5.Ng5 h6 6.Nxf7 is the wild Algaier Gambit ...
    Nf6 6.d4 d6 7.Nd3 Nxe4 8.Bxf4 is the Kiesertsky Gambit. White gets good play down the f file. I remember black had a good way to continue this, the last time I looked at it. White was in rough shape.)
    Back to 4.Bc4 Bg7 (4. ... g4 5.0-0 gxf3 6.Qxf3 is the Muzio Gambit. It is also a very wild piece sacrifice. It is very fun to analyze but the books have it as a draw. The worst part is that hardly anyone plays 4. ... g4) 5.d4 (or 5.h4 h6) d6 is playable and perhaps slightly better for black.

    Overall the King's Gambit is a good tactical opening.
    Black can take a lot of the fun out of it if he knows what he's doing, though.
  12. 26 Nov '08 00:52
    Some others.

    I have my own books on the king's gambit. But for the muzio variation. I prefer have black...

    Do you know any others gambit like that.
  13. 26 Nov '08 10:44
    I wanted to mention that 1.e4 d5 2.d4 also leads to the gambit above.
    1.d4 Nf6 2.f3 (2.Nc3 d5 3.e4 Nxe4 4.Nxe4 dxe4 5.Bc4 has been giving me problems as of late.) d5 (2. ... c5/2. ...e6 !?) 3.e4 dxe4 4.Nc3 is also the gambit above. One of its better qualities is that you can play it a high percentage of the time with white.


    What else would you like to see?

    1.e4 c5 2.d4 is a nice one.
    1.e4 c5 2.b4 is more risky.
    1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5 for black.
    1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 for black.

    Pick one or name a different one, and I will give you a few variations.
  14. 26 Nov '08 13:59
    Let's go with the 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e5 line.
  15. 26 Nov '08 15:20
    1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 3.dxe5 (3.d5 Bc5) Ng4 (Ne4 is interesting but more risky)

    After 3. ... Ng4

    A. 4.e4 Nxe5 5.f4 Ng6 (or Nec6) This is playable for black. White's position is a bit loose. If black gets in Bc5 he has a nice position.

    B. 4.Nf3 Bc5 5.e3 Nc6 Black gets the pawn back. Both sides develop solidly. It's perhaps slightly better for white. Black has an option of a5, Ra6, and Rg6 if he doesn't play d6 too early.

    C. 4.Bf4 (The main line) Nc6 5.Nf3 Bb4+

    Here white has two choices

    6.Nbd2 (returns the pawn) Qe7 7.e3 (7.a3 Ngxe5 8.axb4 Nd3 mate/ 8.Nxe5 Nxe5 9.Bxe5 Bxd2+ 10.Qxd2 Qxe5 is equal.) Ngxe5
    Again about even

    6.Nc3 (holding on to the pawn) Bxc3+ 7.bxc3 Qe7 8.Qd5 f6 (Qa3 is an older move but not as good) 9.exf6 Nxf6 10.Qd3
    Black has compensation for the pawn.

    GM's do actually play this one.