1. Standard memberKorch
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    26 Nov '08 19:58
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    Besides, if black wanted to play for the win he would accept the Smith-Morra in the first place. 🙂
    Sicilian is played with intention to attack! At least some Sicilian players may not like passive defence even for one pawn.
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    26 Nov '08 19:59
    LOL

    I keep saying below master level, and you keep giving world champion examples. hehe

    Skip it

    YOU WIN !!!!

    🙂
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    26 Nov '08 20:00
    I'm not foolish enough to debate with you.
    You are a much stronger player.
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    26 Nov '08 20:042 edits
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    LOL

    I keep saying below master level, and you keep giving world champion examples. hehe

    Skip it

    YOU WIN !!!!

    🙂
    My point is - if even world champions feels unpleasant in such kind of positions what do you expect from lower rated players? 🙂
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    26 Nov '08 20:06
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    It's the Tennison. 🙂
    Do you have the book by Lutes?
    It has some interesting biographical history in addition to analysis from many old sources. 🙂
    Yes I do, and I have a little booklet thing on the tennison gambit.
    I don't play any of the material in either of them. This mostly because I don't play the tennison 😉
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    26 Nov '08 20:17
    Sophy what gambit would you like next?
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    26 Nov '08 20:25
    What about the counter gambit greco, Levian gambit, 1 e4 -e5 2 cf3 f5.
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    26 Nov '08 20:39
    Hi Sophy ! I can not help you in that variation, but I read that you like attacking chess. Here is a short game in Blackmaar-Diemer gambit.

    I hope that you like the game !
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    26 Nov '08 21:14
    Originally posted by Sophy
    What about the counter gambit greco, Levian gambit, 1 e4 -e5 2 cf3 f5.
    Thread 102594
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    26 Nov '08 21:16
    The thing that I think is most interesting in the above game is after 1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf3 5.Qxf3 !?
    Here can a lot of comlpicated play apear. As we saw in the game, the pawn on d4 is poissioned and white get a lot of lines and some diagonals to play on. The variation is a little dubius, but quite simple to play for an agressive player.....
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    26 Nov '08 23:44
    Originally posted by DagamoStyle
    The thing that I think is most interesting in the above game is after 1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.f3 exf3 5.Qxf3 !?
    Here can a lot of comlpicated play apear. As we saw in the game, the pawn on d4 is poissioned and white get a lot of lines and some diagonals to play on. The variation is a little dubius, but quite simple to play for an agressive player.....
    Ah, yes, the Ryder Gambit. White can score a quick knockout if Black isn't very careful.

    I play the Ryder in blitz sometimes. Here is the "anidote":

    1 d4 d5 2 e4 de 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 ef 5 Qf3 Qd4! 6 Be3 Qg4! 7 Qf2. Black's up two pawns, so White has to do something quick. Unfortunately, there's not much to do if Black is careful. Even so, Tim Sawyer in his excellent Blackmar-Diemer Gambit Keybook, says that there are a number of strong BDG players who play the Ryder Gambit any chance they get. Black has to stumble to lose, but stumble Black often does!
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    27 Nov '08 00:411 edit
    Right, and halloween gambit ?

    The knight sacrifice.

    If there is a gambit were we sacrifice the queen and it should be good, I would try it.
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    Yes, Qg4 is of course much better, but I would have left the d4-pawn on the board if I where black. After Qg4, then white strategy is to move out the light pieces, castle somewhere (hopefully Q-side 😉 ), Put the Rooks in the d-, e- or f-file. Push as hard as possibly on some weak point in blacks camp. Try not to exchange pieces and hope for the best.
    This is extremely successful in blitz and fast games.
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    27 Nov '08 03:39
    Originally posted by Sophy
    What about the counter gambit greco, Levian gambit, 1 e4 -e5 2 cf3 f5.
    1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5

    A. 3.exf5 e4 4.Ne5 (4.Ng1 is interesting. Black plays a King's Gambit with an extra tempo, but does having the pawn a square further up the board help or hurt?) Nf6 5.Be2 d6 6.Bh5+ Ke7 7.Nf7 Qe8
    is a typical (wild) variation. Surely you will need more analysis.

    B. 3.Nxe5 Qf6 4.d4 (4.Nc4 is also an option) d6 5.Nc4 fxe4 6.Nc3 Qg6 is one of the main lines.

    C. 3.Nc3 fxe4 4.Nxe5 Nf6 ?! 5.Ng4 wins a pawn.4. ... Qf6 is better.

    D. 3.d4 fxe4 4.Ne5 Nf6 5.Nc3 d6 6.Bg5 is another variation where black must defend carefully.

    E. 3.Bc4

    This is the most exciting/fun variation. Their is a major problem with it. Most people who have not seen the gambit will play 3.Nxe5 or 3.exf5. The only players that tend to play 3.Bc4 are the ones that have actually analyzed the lines themselves. Therefore, much of the preparation in these lines will have already been seen by white.

    JUST MY OPINION

    3.Bc4 fxe4 4.Nxe5 Qg5 5.d4 Qxg2 is one of the more complicated lines. The positions get really crazy. Sometimes the black king walks to a6. In Kosten's book, I believe black was left in bad shape in the end.

    Interestingly, 3.Bc4 b5 was invented to give the king a square in the above variation. 4.Bxg8 (instead of 4.Bb3 fxe4) makes it less fun.

    3.Bc4 fxe4 5.Nxe5 d5 is another way to go.
    6.Qh5+ g6 7.Nxg6 Nf6 (hxg6 is also a variation) 8.Qe5+ Be7 is another wild variation.

    Many of the Latvian Gambit positions resemble nothing else on Earth. 🙂
    It can be a fun exciting tactical opening.
    3.Nxe5 (while not necessarily a refutation) does tend to change the whole flavor of the opening. It makes the gambit less fun to play.

    For further sources on this gambit

    The Latvian Gambit Made Easy is a nice introduction with 1 set repertoire for black. Don't pay more than the original $6 or so. It is very thin.

    The Latvian Gambit Lives By Kosten is THE BOOK on the gambit.
    There is a lot of great stuff in that one.
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