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    26 Nov '08 16:07
    Gambit morra. now. I heard about it, But I can't play it.
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    26 Nov '08 17:21
    OK
    The Smith-Morra Gambit
    1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3

    A. 3. ... Nf6 4.e5 Nd5 5.Nf3 (Qxd4 is also interesting)
    We are no longer in the Smith-Morra.
    This has tranposed to the 2.c3 Sicilian.

    B. 3. ... d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.cxd4 is also a 2.c3 Sicilian.

    These two declined variations force you to learn a line of the c3 Sicilian. The positions are equal but not really Smith-Morra type positions.

    C. 3. ... d3 4.c4 (4.Bxd3) is the recommended continuation. White builds a Maroczy bind with pawns on c4 and e4, making blacks d5 and b5 brakes hard to play. White does not mind black playing Nc6, Ne5, and Nxd3 which is surprisingly quite common.
    Also on 4.Bxd3 you can just try out different setups. One idea is to play f4 and Nf3.

    D. 3. ... dxc3 (The Morra Gambit Accepted)

    4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d6 6.Bc4 e6 is a classical setup. 7.0-0 Nf6 8.Qe2 (to stop Nxe4 and to put the king's rook on d1) 8. ... Be7 9.Rd1
    This is a very common setup for white. He will next move the queen's bishop and play the queen's rook to c1. White gets queenside pressure for the pawn. All of his pieces go to active squares. The position has the possibilites of nice active play. There is no concrete line where white wins,draws, etc. Here, white threatens e5 with a lot of pressure on the d6 square. 9. ... e5 is blacks typical response. Now, white has the backward dpawn and weak d5 square to work on as well.

    4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d6 6.Bc4 Nf6 7.e5

    4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d6 6.Bc4 a6 is a good setup for black.
    7.0-0 Nf6 8.Bg5 (8.Qe2 Bg4) is one way to play it.

    4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 e6 6.Bc4 Qc7 7.0-0 Nf6 8.Qe2 Ng4 is a deadly trap
    9.h3 ?? Nd4 ! wins/ 9.Nb5 Qb8 10.h3 h5 is messy too.
    8.Nb5 Qb8 9.e5 is one idea to avoid it.

    4.Nxc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 g6 6.Bc4 Bg7 7.e5 is one way for white to play it.
    7.0-0 is the other.

    Just bear in mind white's basic setup.
    Knights on c3 and f3, Queen on e2, Rooks on c1 and d1, Bishops on c4 and e3/g5/or f4, King on g1.

    White gets pressure and a nice healthy development.
    The actual compensation is debatable, but it is a fun aggressive opening.
  3. Standard memberKorch
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    26 Nov '08 17:24
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    OK
    The Smith-Morra Gambit
    1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3

    A. 3. ... Nf6 4.e5 Nd5 5.Nf3 (Qxd4 is also interesting)
    We are no longer in the Smith-Morra.
    This has tranposed to the 2.c3 Sicilian.

    B. 3. ... d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.cxd4 is also a 2.c3 Sicilian.

    These two declined variations force you to learn a line of the c3 Sicilian. The posi ...[text shortened]... lthy development.
    The actual compensation is debatable, but it is a fun aggressive opening.
    B. 3. ... d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.cxd4 is also a 2.c3 Sicilian.

    These two declined variations force you to learn a line of the c3 Sicilian. The positions are equal but not really Smith-Morra type positions.


    I disagree - as 2.c3 player I can say that position after 3. ... d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.cxd4 is obviously better for White.
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    26 Nov '08 19:20
    Originally posted by Korch
    [b]B. 3. ... d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.cxd4 is also a 2.c3 Sicilian.

    These two declined variations force you to learn a line of the c3 Sicilian. The positions are equal but not really Smith-Morra type positions.


    I disagree - as 2.c3 player I can say that position after 3. ... d5 4.exd5 Qxd5 5.cxd4 is obviously better for White.[/b]
    5. ... e5 really doesn't give white much, if I remember correctly.
    I will look it up in a few minutes.
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    26 Nov '08 19:27
    Play the doodinthemood gambit. For more information, see "play the doodinthemood gambit" on page 2 of the chess forums.

    No GMs play it, but I'm bound to become a GM sooner or later, and then we'll see.
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    26 Nov '08 19:28
    After 5. ... e5 6.Nf3 exd4 7.Qxd4 Qxd4 8.Nxd4, white has a slight advantage according to theory. In master chess, this may well be enough to win. I was just making some practical suggestions/thoughts on an introduction to the Smith-Morra Gambit.
    It is in fact a c3 Sicilian, as I got this line from The Complete c3 Sicilian by Chandler. If you look at the pawn structure after move 8, a draw is not a totally out of the question result either below master level.
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    26 Nov '08 19:30
    Originally posted by doodinthemood
    Play the doodinthemood gambit. For more information, see "play the doodinthemood gambit" on page 2 of the chess forums.

    No GMs play it, but I'm bound to become a GM sooner or later, and then we'll see.
    It's the Tennison. 🙂
    Do you have the book by Lutes?
    It has some interesting biographical history in addition to analysis from many old sources. 🙂
  8. Standard memberKorch
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    26 Nov '08 19:43
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    5. ... e5 really doesn't give white much, if I remember correctly.
    I will look it up in a few minutes.
    Really?
  9. Standard memberKorch
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    26 Nov '08 19:44
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    5. ... e5 really doesn't give white much, if I remember correctly.
    I will look it up in a few minutes.
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    26 Nov '08 19:46
    Originally posted by Korch
    [pgn]
    [Event "Karlsbad"]
    [Site "21"]
    [Date "1911.??.??"]
    [EventDate "?"]
    [Round "?"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [White "Aron Nimzowitsch"]
    [Black "Oscar Chajes"]
    [ECO "B22"]
    [WhiteElo "?"]
    [BlackElo "?"]
    [PlyCount "63"]

    1.e4 c5 2.c3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.cxd4 d5 5.exd5 Qxd5 6.Nf3 e5
    7.Nc3 Bb4 8.Bd2 Bxc3 9.Bxc3 e4 10.Ne5 Nxe5 11.dxe5 Ne7 12.Qa4+
    Bd7 13.Qa3 e3 14 ...[text shortened]... Rd7 28.Bf5
    Rxd6 29.exd6 f6 30.Qg6+ Qf7 31.d7 Bxd7 32.Qxf7+ 1-0
    [/pgn]
    That's not the same. 🙂
    Did you see the other post with The Complete c3 Sicilian.
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    26 Nov '08 19:461 edit
    Double post.
  12. Standard memberKorch
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    26 Nov '08 19:461 edit
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    After 5. ... e5 6.Nf3 exd4 7.Qxd4 Qxd4 8.Nxd4, white has a slight advantage according to theory. In master chess, this may well be enough to win. I was just making some practical suggestions/thoughts on an introduction to the Smith-Morra Gambit.
    It is in fact a c3 Sicilian, as I got this line from The Complete c3 Sicilian by Chandler. If you ...[text shortened]... ture after move 8, a draw is not a totally out of the question result either below master level.
    After 5. ... e5 6.Nf3 exd4 7.Qxd4 Qxd4 8.Nxd4 Black will need to defend in slightly worse endgame without any chances to play for win. I doubt if many Sicilian players would like to play such positions as Black.
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    26 Nov '08 19:48
    Originally posted by Korch
    After 5. ... e5 6.Nf3 exd4 7.Qxd4 Qxd4 8.Nxd4 Black will need to defend in slightly worse endgame without any chances to play for win. I doubt if many Sicilian players would like to play such positions as Black.
    I don't disagree with you.
    I just don't want to see a dead symmetrical pawn structure like that with white.
    It is +=, but I doubt the significance below master level.
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    26 Nov '08 19:49
    Besides, if black wanted to play for the win he would accept the Smith-Morra in the first place. 🙂
  15. Standard memberKorch
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    26 Nov '08 19:542 edits
    Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
    I don't disagree with you.
    I just don't want to see a dead symmetrical pawn structure like that with white.
    It is +=, but I doubt the significance below master level.
    If player is doomed to passive defense without chances to play for win then even world champion can lose. One of the best known examples to see how it`s not easy to defend all the time:

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