1. Mumbai, India
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    22 Aug '06 07:371 edit
    I accepetd the draw offer in this game. In fact I offered my opponent a draw, he said lets wait for 2-3 moves and then if no one makes a blunder, we'll agree to a draw.

    Materialwise, I have a stronger position but then postion wise, he was stronger. What do you'll think?
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    22 Aug '06 07:551 edit
    Originally posted by yashsr
    I accepetd the draw offer in this game. In fact I offered my opponent a draw, he said lets wait for 2-3 moves and then if no one makes a blunder, we'll agree to a draw.

    Materialwise, I have a stronger position but then postion wise, he was stronger. What do you'll think?
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    In the end position, I don't even see how white can draw


    the Black King could mop up those 2 pawns and then you swing it round to attack white pawn pase on the other side of the board.

    The white will be helpless because moving the bishop will constantly put him in zuzgwang
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    22 Aug '06 07:56
    I think it's a draw if none of you makes a bad move.

    Even if black trades the bishop for the a-pawn 8just to force the draw) it's nothing more than a draw. Black gets the opposition and thats all there is to it.

    IMHO, I could be wrong of course...
  4. Mumbai, India
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    22 Aug '06 08:05
    The main problem for me was that all white pawns were really advanced, one bad move and I could have ended up losing as he could have queened one those pawns.
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    [SetUp "1"]
    [FEN "8/4k1p1/P1p2p1p/5P1P/1P2K1P1/8/8/6b1 b - - 0 1"]

    1. ... Kd6 2. Kd3 Kd5 3. Kc3 Ba7 4. Kb3 c5 5. bxc5 Kxc5 6. Kc3 Kd5 7. Kb4 Ke4
    8. Kb5 Kf4 9. Kc6 Kxg4 10. Kb7 Bg1


    I quickly copied the Fen into babas and played against crafty as black.


    If you can think of a better defence for white please tell me, i'll pop it in as a variation and kick its arse.
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    22 Aug '06 08:122 edits
    Originally posted by yashsr
    The main problem for me was that all white pawns were really advanced, one bad move and I could have ended up losing as he could have queened one those pawns.
    When Face with positions like this think....

    "key squares" ...

    IF (big if) white can get he king to f7 then he may actually end up wining.

    but in order to get to f7 the needs to get to e6 first.

    so, those are the key squares, if black can prevent the king reaching them, while at the same time mop up pawns, he will win.

    EDIT:- HAHA!! the win is even easier than that:-

    Kf7 Be3 Kxg7 Bg5 and White can't make any progress.
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    22 Aug '06 08:19
    Come on, guys, this is an easy win for black. For instance:

    1. ... Kd6 2.Kd3 (if the king goes to the other side, then Kd5, Kd4 and grabs the two pawns; white cannot even try to infiltrate because of the black c- and f-pawns) Kd5 3.Kc3 (needs to try and protect the pawn) Ke4 4.Kc4 Kf4 5.b5 (the only try to do something active) cxb5+ 6.Kxb5 Kxg4 ; black sacrifices the bishop for the a-pawn and eats the kingside pawns long before the whiteking is back
  8. Standard membercoentje
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    22 Aug '06 08:28
    Originally posted by Shinidoki
    [SetUp "1"]
    [FEN "8/4k1p1/P1p2p1p/5P1P/1P2K1P1/8/8/6b1 b - - 0 1"]

    1. ... Kd6 2. Kd3 Kd5 3. Kc3 Ba7 4. Kb3 c5 5. bxc5 Kxc5 6. Kc3 Kd5 7. Kb4 Ke4
    8. Kb5 Kf4 9. Kc6 Kxg4 10. Kb7 Bg1


    I quickly copied the Fen into babas and played against crafty as black.


    If you can think of a better defence for white please tell me, i'll pop it in as a variation and kick its arse.
    I don't really think that white can win this game

    1...Kd6
    2.Kd3 Ke5
    3.Kc4 Kf4

    Black can easily defend the pawns with just his bishop and pawn and can just pick up the pawns on the other side at his own leasure.
  9. Stockholm, Sweden
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    22 Aug '06 08:34
    I think it's a clear win for black..!
  10. Standard memberDragon Fire
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    22 Aug '06 10:28
    This game is lost for white. He can do nothing whilst black gobbles up his pawns then queens his own.
  11. Standard memberDeepThought
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    22 Aug '06 11:04
    Yes, black has a won position, even if you remove the c6 pawn. White can't advance his pawns without losing them to the bishop and has to give ground as white can drop tempi by moving the bishop back and forth along the a7-g1 diagonal.
  12. Mumbai, India
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    22 Aug '06 12:04
    Thanks for all your feedback, I did a wrong thing by accepting the draw offer then!!!!!!!!! 🙁
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    22 Aug '06 13:07
    it was an easy win for black
  14. Standard memberDragon Fire
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    22 Aug '06 15:12
    Originally posted by yashsr
    Thanks for all your feedback, I did a wrong thing by accepting the draw offer then!!!!!!!!! 🙁
    In a word "yes"
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    22 Aug '06 15:301 edit
    ok i decided to go back a bit and check the endgame.
    after 46...Bc5 black has a clearly won position.

    47...Ba7 opens a hole at d6 you should be bringing in your king via 47...Kf8 (the kingside pawns are invulnerable as they protect each other.)

    48.b4? misses the chance to draw with 48.Ke5! Bb8+ (Bc5? a6! Kf8 b4! and black's c pawn must fall the two passed pawns are more than a match for the bishop) 49.Kd4! Ba7+ (Bd6 a6! Bb8 Kc5 +-) 50.Ke5 =

    50...f6?? creates lots of weaknesses on white squares an easy win just became much more difficult. better was Kd7 prepping Bf2-e1-b4 -+

    51...Bd4 allows white to reach the g7 pawn and draw. necessary is 51...Kf7

    53.Kh7 is almost a draw (no way to force the white king out of the corner the black bishop is tied to the a pawn the black king to the g pawn so no progress for black.) except for 53...f5!! 54.gf Kf7 55.a6 Ba7 56.h5 c5 57.bxc5 Bxc5 58.Kh8 Ba7 59.Kh7 Bd4! and white is in zugzwang (diagram 2) if 60.Kh8 g6+!! (this is the point of f5 giving the bishop access) 61.Kh7 gxh5 and queens. If 60.f6!? Kxf6 61.Kg8 Bc5 62.f5! black simply circles his bishop to gain a tempo and white is again out of moves. However any move other than 53...f5 and 54.f5 draws (incluing 53...Bf2 54.f5 Bxh4 55.a6 Bf2 56.Kh8 = see diagram 1)

    54.Bc3? loses a tempo 54.Kg8 to prevent Kh7
    55.Kf5 a second chance to play Kh7
    55...Ke7 allows Kg6 again instead Kf7
    56.Ke4? passes up Kg6-h7 again (third time)
    57.f5??? closes his only access to the g7 pawn and the back ranks position is now irrevocably won for black (note that black controls the entire 5th rank and white can not pass)

    the question is not will there be blunders, its can either of us play an endgame or are we just gonna move the pieces aimlessly.
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