Originally posted by GatecrasherThanks. You've shone the light I sought.
For obvious reasons I'm not going to give those details, other than the fact that the process is automated, and there is no subjectivity or selectivity involved in the determination of a match. I can give the 1st choice engine match-up stats I got for each player in games 1-6, compared to Danialov's claims.
1. Kramnik 62.7% (Danailov claims 63% ) Top st be quite large if you have a vested interest and are desperate to "prove" your point.
It also seems that if one of the players is using Fritz, the suspicions should fall on Topalov (if not for his better bladder).
Originally posted by RahimKYou are young.
Yes that's what i've been saying.
1 table, 1 clock, 1 board, 2 chairs.
Sit there and play. You aren't here to be pampered.
Rest rooms and private washrooms and all that garbage.
In a way it's good this happened for the news coverage. Take that Fide! It's well over due for a new person to run Fide.
I'm not as young, but can sit still for a long time only if I'm not drinking water.
The tournament organizers rightly accommodate a player's need for water and toilet, as well as to stretch the legs. And I can assure you that with Kramnik's arthritic condition, the walking is critical. If you are familiar with ankylosing spondylitis (ChessBase reported last year that this was Kramnik's condition), you already know the necessity of movement.
Originally posted by RahimKI think it's already too late for that, Rahim. The margin doesn't really count now. The players, or shall I say one player in particular, has already been affected psychologically because of the toilet thing. Even if he loses in the end with say 2 points, he can say because of the 1 point forfeiture, it had affected him and spoiled his other games. But on the other hand, if he emerges winner of this championship, he'll get higher respect from everyone!
There will be lots of drama now especailly if Topo wins this thing.
So many excuses that he isn't the true champ if he does win.
The biggest one will be of course the forfeit game point.
I just want who ever to win this thing to win it clearly so that the forfeit game will play no part in the result meaning:
Kram wins or Topo wins by more then 2 points.
By the way, I want to ask, in the event that the score is tied in the end, what will happen? How do they decide the champion? Blitz? Sudden death? Extra games?
Originally posted by GatecrasherThank you, Gatecrasher, very interesting. Those dirty tactics by Danailov are disgusting.
For obvious reasons I'm not going to give those details, other than the fact that the process is automated, and there is no subjectivity or selectivity involved in the determination of a match. I can give the 1st choice engine match-up stats I got for each player in games 1-6, compared to Danialov's claims.
1. Kramnik 62.7% (Danailov claims 63% ) Top ...[text shortened]... st be quite large if you have a vested interest and are desperate to "prove" your point.
I thought game 8 was very interesting. At move 40, I commented that black had at least secured a draw, in fact suggested that both were likely to agree to a draw very soon. I said so because I saw no good continuation for white to mount a counter attack. On the other hand, with all the pawns stagnant like that, black, although a piece up, had no promising lines of attack either.
But suddenly Kramnik did the 41. Kxg3. And from there it was downhill all the way for white. Amazing how a GM can make such a move. I wonder what was his line of thought when he made that move. I am trying to understand that move, but still can't find any justification up to now... anyone here has an idea?
Originally posted by powershakerActually the game in question was 72.9% according to analysis performed separately by both Gatecrasher and myself. Also, according to my reckoning the score is 4-3 to Kramnik (The forfeited game doesn't count as Kramnik rightly refused to play as the conditions of play had changed).
1.) Kram the Sham obviously uses Fritz9!
2.) Topalov wasn't wrong!
3.) Topalov just evened the score with a win now that the Fritz9 fact is out in the air!
Oh, and do you think the Kramnik team will risk using it now - especially after Topalov's suspicions? I think not. Kramnik has only won two games outright. The second win was 87% Fritz9 moves, I believe? Give me a break!
So let's see your reasons for calling Kramnik a cheat, I'm sure they are both convincing and elegant.
Hey xanthosNZ, just out of curiosity, I thought I'd like to see if you've written any profile. So I clicked on your name. Then I noticed your picture was moving! Then I couldn't stop laughing. Good one, man! Just where did you people get such good pictures I wonder.... hehehehe.
It is even now at 4-4 with only 4 games remaining. If it goes to a Blitz shootout, it would clearly favor Topalov. I started out as a Topalov supporter, and like many others have been completely disgusted by the antics of Toppy and his team. It would be sad indeed if he won by virtue of the forfeited game (clearly the case if they go to a shootout). Kramnik is putting on his game face and making every attempt to appear relaxed and confident, but was obviously uncomfortable today against his own Semi-Slav. We'll see what comes in the next four, but I'm now pulling for Kramnik all the way, as he is showing a great deal more class. Frankly I was surprised (like most) that he jumped out to a 2-0 lead at the start, and by all rights Topalov should have won those games but cracked under the pressure. Maybe GM Kasparov knows a little something about chess, he said in an interview prior to the match that Kramnik had a better understanding of chess than Topalov, and would not be the underdog that he has been portrayed as (Gary predicted a very close match with at least 3 decisive games, there are three now, not counting the forfeiture). Just some thoughts.
Originally posted by BLReidYes, it is truly a tragedy to the chess world. If a chess champion is decided by a forfeited game surely the champion is only a 'technical' champion only? I wonder if there is any difference if compared with say a champion who declines to defend his title, and as a result loses his title to the challenger? This was the case, I believe, with Bobby Fischer many years ago.
It is even now at 4-4 with only 4 games remaining. If it goes to a Blitz shootout, it would clearly favor Topalov. I started out as a Topalov supporter, and like many others have been completely disgusted by the antics of Toppy and his team. It would be sad indeed if he won by virtue of the forfeited game (clearly the case if they go to a shootout). Kramnik i ...[text shortened]... least 3 decisive games, there are three now, not counting the forfeiture). Just some thoughts.
But on the other hand, 4 games is still a lot. There is still opportunity for Kramnik to do something. And if he somehow manages it, then he is truly a champion.
Originally posted by 7ate9It doesn't matter anymore. Protest as much as you like, nothing's gonna change. These jokers are still going to be very pleased with themselves being the champion, even if they got the title through a degrading means. However, still keeping my fingers crossed. Things may still happen in Kramnik's favour...
It may go under protest if Kramnik loses because of that game.