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  1. 07 Dec '05 04:12
    *sigh*....loss for words
    Anybody have any thoughts on the young prodigy?
  2. Standard member XanthosNZ
    Cancerous Bus Crash
    07 Dec '05 04:17
    http://www.worldchesscup2005.com/main.asp?id=604
  3. 07 Dec '05 04:18
    He is extremely young and gifted. the only question is can he reach the highest levels in the next few years. He seems to be a normal kid, interested in sports, etc (other than being a chess prodigy). He does play interesting chess, tho. A word of caution: Don't buy "Wonderboy" by Simen Agdestein, his trainer. It is very non-revealing. There are so many child prodigies out there, it's difficult to say if they have that extra measure of ruthless ambition, like Morphy, Capablanca, Fischer, etc.
  4. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    07 Dec '05 17:16 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by buddy2
    He is extremely young and gifted. the only question is can he reach the highest levels in the next few years. He seems to be a normal kid, interested in sports, etc (other than being a chess prodigy). He does play interesting chess, tho. A word of caution: Don't buy "Wonderboy" by Simen Agdestein, his trainer. It is very non-revealing. There are so ...[text shortened]... say if they have that extra measure of ruthless ambition, like Morphy, Capablanca, Fischer, etc.
    Well he is doing pretty good now, taking a bunch of
    GM scalps. I think he is doing better than Fischer at the same age.
    Time will tell if he gets in the top ten or five.
  5. 07 Dec '05 17:47
    Yeah, I would say to him: "Don't play chess with strangers"....
  6. Subscriber no1marauder
    Humble and Kind
    07 Dec '05 18:03
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Well he is doing pretty good now, taking a bunch of
    GM scalps. I think he is doing better than Fischer at the same age.
    Time will tell if he gets in the top ten or five.
    Fischer won the US Championship at age 14; I don't think Carlsen has any acheivements to quite match that. Nonetheless, he is a remarkable player.
  7. Standard member Wulebgr
    Angler
    07 Dec '05 18:14 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Fischer won the US Championship at age 14; I don't think Carlsen has any acheivements to quite match that. Nonetheless, he is a remarkable player.
    Which event was stronger?

    USA-ch New York 1957

    1 Fischer,Robert James
    &;
    ½ 1 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 1 ½ 1 1 10.5 / 13
    2 Reshevsky,Samuel Herman ½
    &;
    0 0 1 1 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 1 1 1 9.5 / 13
    3 Sherwin,James T 0 1
    &;
    ½ ½ 0 1 ½ ½ 1 1 1 1 1 9.0 / 13
    4 Lombardy,William James 0 1 ½
    &;
    ½ ½ ½ ½ 0 1 0 1 1 1 7.5 / 13
    5 Berliner,Hans Jack ½ 0 ½ ½
    &;
    0 0 ½ ½ 1 1 ½ 1 1 7.0 / 13
    6 Feuerstein,Arthur William 0 0 1 ½ 1
    &;
    1 ½ 1 0 0 ½ ½ ½ 6.5 / 13 41.50
    7 Denker,Arnold Sheldon ½ 0 0 ½ 1 0
    &;
    1 ½ 0 1 1 0 1 6.5 / 13 38.00
    8 Mednis,Edmar John 0 ½ ½ ½ ½ ½ 0
    &;
    0 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 6.5 / 13 37.00
    9 Seidman,Herbert ½ 0 ½ 1 ½ 0 ½ 1
    &;
    0 1 1 0 0 6.0 / 13
    10 Bernstein,Sidney Norman 0 ½ 0 0 0 1 1 0 1
    &;
    0 ½ 1 0 5.0 / 13 30.50
    11 Bisguier,Arthur Bernard 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 ½ 0 1
    &;
    0 ½ 1 5.0 / 13 27.50
    12 Turner,Abe ½ 0 0 0 ½ ½ 0 0 0 ½ 1
    &;
    1 ½ 4.5 / 13 25.50
    13 Di Camillo,Attilio 0 0 0 0 0 ½ 1 ½ 1 0 ½ 0
    &;
    1 4.5 / 13 24.50
    14 Kramer,George Mortimer 0 0 0 0 0 ½ 0 0 1 1 0 ½ 0
    &;
    3.0 / 13



    GMC Wijk aan Zee NED 2004

    1 Carlsen,M 2484 +222
    &;
    1 ½ 1 1 1 1 0 ½ ½ 1 1 1 1 10.5 / 13
    2 Ernst,S 2474 +192 0
    &;
    1 1 ½ ½ 1 ½ ½ 1 1 1 1 1 10.0 / 13
    3 Smeets,J 2505 +89 ½ 0
    &;
    ½ 1 ½ 0 1 1 1 ½ 1 1 1 9.0 / 13
    4 Pavlovic,Mi 2548 -17 0 0 ½
    &;
    ½ ½ 1 0 ½ 1 1 1 1 1 8.0 / 13 40.00
    5 Werle,J 2407 +133 0 ½ 0 ½
    &;
    0 ½ ½ 1 1 1 1 1 1 8.0 / 13 39.75
    6 Gagunashvili,M 2583 -84 0 ½ ½ ½ 1
    &;
    ½ 1 ½ 0 1 0 1 1 7.5 / 13 43.00
    7 Bosboom Lanchava,T 2323 +195 0 0 1 0 ½ ½
    &;
    1 ½ 1 0 1 1 1 7.5 / 13 38.00
    8 Pavasovic,D 2615 -146 1 ½ 0 1 ½ 0 0
    &;
    0 ½ ½ 1 1 1 7.0 / 13
    9 Lahno,Kateri 2493 -42 ½ ½ 0 ½ 0 ½ ½ 1
    &;
    ½ ½ 0 1 1 6.5 / 13
    10 Janssen,R 2489 -65 ½ 0 0 0 0 1 0 ½ ½
    &;
    ½ 1 1 1 6.0 / 13 27.50
    11 Popov,Val 2580 -163 0 0 ½ 0 0 0 1 ½ ½ ½
    &;
    1 1 1 6.0 / 13 26.75
    12 Peng Zhaoqin 2419 -140 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 0 0
    &;
    ½ 1 3.5 / 13
    13 Etmans,M 2225 -196 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ½
    &;
    ½ 1.0 / 13
    14 Barendse,T 2206 -306 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ½
    &;
    0.5 / 13
    Average Elo: 2453 Cat: 9 gm = 9.10 m = 6.50
  8. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    07 Dec '05 18:14
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Fischer won the US Championship at age 14; I don't think Carlsen has any acheivements to quite match that. Nonetheless, he is a remarkable player.
    Not sure but I think Bobby made GM at age of 15, Magnus did it
    at 12. That could just be more intense training in our age, don't know.
    There are a lot of sub-15 year olds making GM these days.
  9. 07 Dec '05 18:23
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Not sure but I think Bobby made GM at age of 15, Magnus did it
    at 12. That could just be more intense training in our age, don't know.
    There are a lot of sub-15 year olds making GM these days.
    Ah, whatever happened to England's "future world champion" Luke McShane? His rating is plummeting.

    He is much like me, I think.
  10. Subscriber no1marauder
    Humble and Kind
    07 Dec '05 18:42
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    Which event was stronger?

    USA-ch New York 1957

    1 Fischer,Robert James
    &;
    ½ 1 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 1 ½ 1 1 10.5 / 13
    2 Reshevsky,Samuel Herman ½
    &;
    0 0 1 1 1 ½ 1 ½ 1 1 1 1 9.5 / 13
    3 Sherwin,James T 0 1
    &;
    ½ ½ 0 1 ½ ½ 1 1 1 1 1 9.0 / 13
    4 Lombardy,William James 0 1 ½
    &;
    ½ ½ ½ ½ 0 1 0 1 1 1 7.5 / 13
    5 Berliner,Hans Jack ...[text shortened]... -306 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ½
    &;
    0.5 / 13
    Average Elo: 2453 Cat: 9 gm = 9.10 m = 6.50
    I believe that Sammy Reshevsky would have been considered a top 10 player in the world in 1957 and one of the top players in mid-20th century to not win the world title. Therefore on the basis of main competition, the US Championship would be considered the stronger event.
  11. Subscriber ViA
    07 Dec '05 19:51 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    the US Championship would be considered the stronger event.
    Spoken like a true American

    But where are they now? Kamsky is on the next flight home, what else is there?
  12. Subscriber no1marauder
    Humble and Kind
    07 Dec '05 21:17
    Originally posted by ViA
    Spoken like a true American

    But where are they now? Kamsky is on the next flight home, what else is there?
    What are you talking about? I was judging the strength of a competition that took place 48 years ago; what does how well Kamsky played in a recent tournament have to do with that???
  13. Standard member XanthosNZ
    Cancerous Bus Crash
    07 Dec '05 21:23
    Originally posted by ViA
    Spoken like a true American

    But where are they now? Kamsky is on the next flight home, what else is there?
    Actually Kamsky will be staying until the end of the tournament. The top 10 finishers qualify for the Candidates stage so all players who made it to the 4th round continue playing for those spots (I assume Kamsky will be fighting for 9th and 10th).
  14. 14 Dec '05 16:34
    Originally posted by XanthosNZ
    Actually Kamsky will be staying until the end of the tournament. The top 10 finishers qualify for the Candidates stage so all players who made it to the 4th round continue playing for those spots (I assume Kamsky will be fighting for 9th and 10th).
    Yes - and so will Magnus. Quite an achievement! He is the first Norwegian player to come that far in the FIDE WM, and the youngest in history.
  15. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    14 Dec '05 18:12
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Not sure but I think Bobby made GM at age of 15, Magnus did it
    at 12. That could just be more intense training in our age, don't know.
    There are a lot of sub-15 year olds making GM these days.
    There are more GM's in the World today than in Fischers time. That means it is easier (or at least there are more frequent opportunities) to gain GM Norms.