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  1. 24 Apr '08 19:57
    Does anyone play Nf3 to avoid the ruy lopez? I love sicilian games, but love it when I get to play a sicilian game. If I convert to Nf3 then what are some things I may encounter as problematic, being that I am a e4 player and not a d4 player.
  2. 24 Apr '08 20:21
    maybe he meant nf6 for black petrov/russian defense.

    Lot loss theory than the spanish.
  3. 24 Apr '08 20:21
    The post that was quoted here has been removed
    Maybe he's been spending too much time in Adorea's alcohol and marijuana thread.
  4. 24 Apr '08 20:22
    No I want to play my first move as Nf3. I want to find lines that avoid the ruy lopez. I can at least deveate if black tries to play Nf6 and e5 you see?
  5. 24 Apr '08 20:26
    you are not forced to play the ruy lopez in the first place. With 1. e4 you could play the italian Bishop c4, the scotch pawn d4, or the kings gambit f4. You can play a lot of things without playing the spanish and still play e4. or your opponent might put into the sicilian, alekhine, french, or carocann. I just do not see how you are forced into spanish games playing e4.
  6. 24 Apr '08 20:26
    I hate the ruy lopez with a pation. I always feel like I'm in a cramped position.
  7. 24 Apr '08 20:28
    Then don't play it as white!
  8. 24 Apr '08 20:32
    all e5 games seem way too drawish. Maybe I just don't know how to attack.
  9. 24 Apr '08 20:55
    I can play well with c4 and decent with d4.
  10. 24 Apr '08 21:05
    Originally posted by kmac27
    I can play well with c4 and decent with d4.
    The entire purpose of this thread escapes me. Like onehandgann said, the Ruy is an opening for White. If you're so afraid of the Ruy, why don't you just play 1.c4 or 1.d4 (or any of a number of other openings that quickly avoid the Ruy) and be done with it? Or am I missing something?
  11. 24 Apr '08 21:15
    Originally posted by kmac27
    all e5 games seem way too drawish. Maybe I just don't know how to attack.
    Isn't the Ruy supposed to be rich in tactics? At least that's what everyone tells me.
  12. Standard member najdorfslayer
    The Ever Living
    24 Apr '08 22:14
    I dont think I have seen so much nonsense in one thread in my entire time on the site.

    I agree with Smaugie drugs are definately to blame here

    Look you like playing White against the Sicilian but dont like the Spanish.

    1.Nf3 c5 e4 gets you into a Sicilian

    But after 1.Nf3 Nf6 or 1.Nf3 d5 you can't play ann e4 Opening and you are best to play KIA or transpose into a d4/c4 opening.

    But after 1.e4 Smauster is right. Just don't play 3.Bb5

    Try the King's Gmabit or the Scotch or the Italian game there are lots of other choice.

    Very odd thread
  13. Standard member najdorfslayer
    The Ever Living
    24 Apr '08 22:16
    Originally posted by Mad Rook
    Isn't the Ruy supposed to be rich in tactics? At least that's what everyone tells me.
    Depends on the variations involved

    Marshall Attack
    Zaitsev
    Schliemann

    These are very attacking/tactical variations of the Spanish

    Berlin
    Breyer

    are a couple of very strategic and quiet systems (i.e. less tactical) in the Spanish
  14. 25 Apr '08 13:51 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by kmac27
    all e5 games seem way too drawish. Maybe I just don't know how to attack.
    Play a gambit, then. Any gambit: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. d4 exd4 4. Bc4; 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. b4; 1. e4 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3; 1. e4 e5 2. f4; whichever you like the best. At our level they won't be drawish at all, and it will certainly improve your attacking skills.
  15. 25 Apr '08 17:05
    Play:
    King’s Gambit 1. e4 e5 2. f4
    Vienna Game, Falkbeer Defence 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Nxe4 4. Qh5 Nd6
    Scotch Game 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4

    for starters. There are plenty of things to do against e5, I chose the openings most likely to not be draws.

    There's also the Piano, Lopez (although you want to avoid that), or you could play:
    1. Nf3 (usually a Reti)
    2. d4 d5 c4 (Queen's Gambit)
    3. c4 (English)
    4. b3 or g3

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