1. SubscriberVery Rusty
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    30 Jul '08 23:313 edits
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    You know I thought the same as you for a long time that something must be up when someone has a CC rating that is 500-600 points more, than their OTB rating, and have had my share of words or war over it.

    I am now starting to have second thoughts on this,(at least an open mind) when People like Korch say it is very possible that this could happen. Database and book openings are being used, that you don't have in OTB game. You are under no time pressure, (unless like me you have a few hundred games going) so if you wish, you can really study the opening, and follow book and database, up to moves in the 20's in some cases.

    Sometimes it is best not to jump to conclusions to quickly.
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    30 Jul '08 23:481 edit
    Can confirm Fat Lady over 2000.

    You cannot jugde anybody by one blitz game - I lost a game in
    in about 8 moves last week - it happens. You get tired, you underestimate players,
    you miss something. You play a bad move.

    I moved too quick against Fat Lady in a blitz game a few weeks ago
    and was mated in 5 or 6 moves. (iI understimated him).

    Think good players should play a bit above their grade at corres chess.
    No clock, time to analyse. etc.

    'cept me - I'm trying to stay as true to my OTB style as possible - if I see a chance
    I'm going to sac my bits and if it does not work. I'll resign.

    Played one typical corrres game (draw) bored me silly. Never again.

    So back to orginal post:
    Fat Lady is a good OTB player.

    (He is also the only player on here with the most apt name -
    He's Fat and he plays like a Lady 😉

    (I bet he comes back and posts the game he won).

    (It's the kind of childish thing I would do).
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    31 Jul '08 00:491 edit
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    (I bet he comes back and posts the game he won).

    (It's the kind of childish thing I would do).
    Do I look like the sort of person who would indulge in that sort of puerile behaviour? I've got better things to do with my time.
    http://tinyurl.com/5tl9rv/MeInNewTop.jpg
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    31 Jul '08 07:10
    Originally posted by Fat Lady
    Do I look like the sort of person who would indulge in that sort of puerile behaviour? I've got better things to do with my time.
    http://tinyurl.com/5tl9rv/MeInNewTop.jpg
    That I can also vouch is not Fat Lady.

    He is impersonating someone else now it seems as Fat Lady is not that thin.
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    31 Jul '08 08:521 edit
    Originally posted by Dragon Fire
    I know Fat Lady from OTB play and whilst I assume this remark is in jest I can assure you his OTB grade is very definately in that region.
    I played fat lady 1 time and he seemed remarkably weaker than Korch, but I still lost. I felt I was winning or even but short time controls I timed out. Fat Lady did seem like a very good player though. I could certainly see 2100.
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    01 Aug '08 23:38
    Originally posted by pijun
    and Clivestraddle was beating me and everyone else at every tournament. Figures, he wouldn't even say anything after I asked something at the end of our games.
    he gave me advice about how i could have got a draw
    .
  7. Standard memberDragon Fire
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    02 Aug '08 09:30
    Originally posted by cairn
    he gave me advice about how i could have got a draw
    .
    Most engines will find that sort of resource easily.

    The advice was only worth something if it was not in the engines horizon but you could exchange off into a drawn end game.
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    Does she sing?
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    02 Aug '08 18:36
    Originally posted by Dragon Fire

    The advice was only worth something if it was not in the engines horizon but you could exchange off into a drawn end game.
    he said that q + b+ 'wrong' rook pawn is not enough to win against q -

    whether it's true or not , i couldn't say
    .
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    03 Aug '08 11:101 edit
    Originally posted by cairn
    he said that q + b+ 'wrong' rook pawn is not enough to win against q -

    whether it's true or not , i couldn't say
    .
    I as a patzer also could give such information.

    Edit: by the way, actually it's the bishop which is generally called "wrong" in those situations, not the pawn. If that's the exact phrase that player used, that may be considered some kind of "lapsus."
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    03 Aug '08 11:24
    Originally posted by Very Rusty
    You know I thought the same as you for a long time that something must be up when someone has a CC rating that is 500-600 points more, than their OTB rating, and have had my share of words or war over it.

    I am now starting to have second thoughts on this,(at least an open mind) when People like Korch say it is very possible that this could happen. Data ...[text shortened]... es in the 20's in some cases.

    Sometimes it is best not to jump to conclusions to quickly.
    Well yeah, my otb rating is some 1700 points lower than my CC rating 🙂.
  12. Standard memberno1marauder
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    03 Aug '08 11:25
    Originally posted by cairn
    he said that q + b+ 'wrong' rook pawn is not enough to win against q -

    whether it's true or not , i couldn't say
    .
    Basic Chess Endings in its updated 2003 Edition says on p. 561 "queen plus bishop and pawn v. queen wins in all cases."
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    03 Aug '08 11:26
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Basic Chess Endings in its updated 2003 Edition says on p. 561 "queen plus bishop and pawn v. queen wins in [b]all cases."[/b]
    I thought the bishop was useless in those situations?
  14. Standard memberno1marauder
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    03 Aug '08 11:33
    Originally posted by diskamyl
    I thought the bishop was useless in those situations?
    In situations where there is only the wrong colored bishop with the rook pawn and the lone King can get in front of the pawn, yes. But proper play is not to allow a queen trade unless a winning position can be established.
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    03 Aug '08 11:441 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Basic Chess Endings in its updated 2003 Edition says on p. 561 "queen plus bishop and pawn v. queen wins in [b]all cases."[/b]
    I was just thinking about that, and couldn't figure out how come it wouldn't be an immediate mate in the same situation where Q vs RP without the bishop draws...

    something like this:

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