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Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Not really. If he remained at 1600 he would still only stand a 50% chance of victory against another 1600 player but what should happen if that the player playing only 1800 players should improve more than the guy only playing 1400s and his rating will go up reflecting his stronger opposition.
Well I guess so but in my case thats not true because I am a 1400 player when I play only 1500-1700 and I so far have remained in the 1400 range yet if I wanted to play only 1400 rated players I would win most of the time and get my rating to 1600.

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13 Nov 07

Originally posted by tomtom232
Well I guess so but in my case thats not true because I am a 1400 player when I play only 1500-1700 and I so far have remained in the 1400 range yet if I wanted to play only 1400 rated players I would win most of the time and get my rating to 1600.
A normal 1600 would be able to beat 1400s 75% of the time and 1600s 50% of the time.

For what you're saying to be true, you would need to beat 1400s 75% of the time (needed to get to 1600). And yet, being that you say you play mostly 1500-1700s and are still at 1400, you must beat 1600s only about 25% of the time.

Why this huge discrepancy? How could you be so disproportionately strong against 1400s and so desperately weak against 1600s?

IMO, this is just a misunderstanding of how the formulas work. Rating differences are already accounted for, and after many games your rating is going to match your playing strength whether you choose strong or weak opponents.

Lots of people seem to need an excuse for why their rating isn't what it "should" or "could" be. Better to just accept that your rating is the best current estimate of your playing strength. At least that way you're being honest with yourself and have a good starting point to build from.

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13 Nov 07

Originally posted by Dutch Defense
Ask User 67374
Why are all his tournament victories still there? Shouldn't they be deleted and been given to the runner up?

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Originally posted by Outpost
Why are all his tournament victories still there? Shouldn't they be deleted and been given to the runner up?
Well said...

but then, everyone who had played (and lost to) his engine would want their rating-points back, too. This would probably prove to be an administrative nightmare.

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14 Nov 07

How prevalent is using an engine here? It can't be as bad as yahoo...

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If Theres Hell Below

We're All Gonna Go!

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14 Nov 07

Originally posted by 0ddity
How prevalent is using an engine here? It can't be as bad as yahoo...
most new ones seem to get caught pretty quickly, and I doubt there are many old ones left either.

DF
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Originally posted by wormwood
most new ones seem to get caught pretty quickly, and I doubt there are many old ones left either.
Seems there are 2 recent bannings User 259803 and User 253894 although I imagine the latter is not for engine use.

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14 Nov 07

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Seems there are 2 recent bannings User 259803 and User 253894 although I imagine the latter is not for engine use.
Looks like the first one started playing without an engine, didn't like losing, then went crazy with it.

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Originally posted by 0ddity
Looks like the first one started playing without an engine, didn't like losing, then went crazy with it.
the lost games are lost because of time outs, he probably fritzed it straight from the beginning...

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Originally posted by wormwood
the lost games are lost because of time outs, he probably fritzed it straight from the beginning...
Actually it looks like they were playing each other and engineerind a contrived rating without even needing an engine.

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Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Actually it looks like they were playing each other and engineerind a contrived rating without even needing an engine.
ah, right. that also explains how smooth the graph is...

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Originally posted by Guych
Sometimes I play against computer after setting a particular position. For example, I set fried liver atack and see how computer plays against it. I try to remember computer's moves in that situations. Now, if I do those moves in my games here on RHP can anything unpleasant happen to me. I don't think I'd have many moves similar to computer's, maybe only several in only some games.
i'm 99% sure the answer is no. Otherwise I wouldn't be allowed to play the Traxler gambit anymore, being as Fritz does find 90% of the tactics in that line, and I first learned about the opening through fritz... I just have to work out the other 10 (queen sac's, deciding when not to take the draw (being as fritz will always when down material), etc.)

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Originally posted by incandenza
A normal 1600 would be able to beat 1400s 75% of the time and 1600s 50% of the time.

For what you're saying to be true, you would need to beat 1400s 75% of the time (needed to get to 1600). And yet, being that you say you play mostly 1500-1700s and are still at 1400, you must beat 1600s only about 25% of the time.

Why this huge discrepancy? How co that way you're being honest with yourself and have a good starting point to build from.
I guess I worded that poorly. What I meant is right now I am playing mostly 1500-1700 players and my rating is still in the 1400s. I took a break from the site to improve OTB and when I came back I was a stronger player winning basically every game against 1400 rated players since then.

Edit: I think it is also because I play kind of reckless and 1400 players can't cope with that and end up losing but the higher rated players can and that causes me to lose. I have stopped playing like that now and hopefully it will show in my playing strength.

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Now all players must play OTB naked and on a toilet with no observers in a bug free room.

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Originally posted by wormwood
most new ones seem to get caught pretty quickly, and I doubt there are many old ones left either.
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