PAWN RIOT VS The Forum Move 23

Our posittion must be very muddy at best. I've never seen this thread so dead.

Vote for 23. ... Nd6.

Here, I've collected all the lines given so far (I think) and organized them (kinda) into Nd6, Qxc4, and Qc5 variations. Later I may try to add evaluations to them.

23...Nd6 24.c5 Qxc5 25.Qxc5 Rxc5 26.Rc1 Kh7 27.Bf2 Nb5 28.Nb3 Rc4 29.Nd2 Rc8?
23...Nd6 24.c5 Qxc5 25.Qxc5 Rxc5 26.Rc1 Kh7 27.Bf2 Nb5 28.Nb3 Rc4 29.Nd2 Bxg2+ 30.Kxg2 Rb4+ 31.Nb3 Rf4 32.Re1 (Rxf3 doesn't look good)e6 33.Bf2 Rc4 34.d6
23...Nd6 24.c5 Qxc5 25.Qxc5 Rxc5 26.Rc1 Kh7 27.Bf2 Rxd5 28.c3
23...Nd6 24.c5 Qxc5 25.Qxc5 Rxc5 26.Rc1 Nc4 27.Rb8+ Kh7 28.Bg1 Rxd5 29.c3
23...Nd6 24.c5 Qxc5 25.Qxc5 Rxc5 26.Rc1 Nc4 27.Rb8+ Kh7 28.Bf2 Rxd5 29.c3 e5 30.Nb3 Rd3
23...Nd6 24.c5 Qxc5 25.Qxc5 Rxc5 26.Rc1 Rxd5 27.Rb8+ Kh7 28.c3 Nc4 29.Bg1
23...Nd6 24.c5 Qxc5 25.Qxc5 Rxc5 26.Rc1 Rxd5 27.c3
23...Nd6 24.c5 Qxc5 25.Qxc5 Rxc5 26.Rc1 Nb5?

23...Qxc4 24.Qxc4 Rxc4 25.Rd1 Nc7 26.d6 exd6 27.Rb8+ Kh7 28.Rb7 Be8
23...Qxc4 24.Qxc4 Rxc4 25.Rd1 Nc7 26.Rb8+ Kh7 27.Rd8 Nxd5 28.Bg1 Nc3 29.Re1 Ba4 30.Rxe7 Rb4 31.Re1 Nb5 32.c3 Nxc3 33.Rc8 Nb5 34.Rd8 draw
23...Qxc4 24.Qxc4 Rxc4 25.Rb7 Ba4 26.Rxe7 Nd6 27.Kb1
23...Qxc4 24.Qxc4 Rxc4 25.Rb7 Ba4 26.Rxe7 Nd6 27.Rd1 Nc7 28.d6

23.exd5 Qc5 24.Nb3 Qxc4 25.Qxc4 Rxc4 25.Bxa7 Bf5
23.exd5 Qc5 24.Qd3 Nd6 25.Nc6 Bxb2+ 26.Kxb2 Nxc4+

Edit: My vote is still with Qxc4 or Qc5. Imagine all these variations drew with best play though, which would give our opponent the most trouble?

That's a lot of work resigning soon - thanks for that!

I'm just looking at this line 23...Qxc4 24.Qxc4 Rxc4 25.Rd1 Nc7 26.Rb8+ Kh7 27.Rd8 Nxd5 28.Bg1 Nc3 29.Re1 Ba4 30.Rxe7 Rb4 31.Re1 Nb5 32.c3 Nxc3 33.Rc8 Nb5 34.Rd8 draw

What if we continue with 34...Na3? I don't see a defence for white at the moment. If he plays 35.Rc1 then we continue 35...a5! In this position white's king can't move, 1 rook must stay on c1 to guard b1/c2 mates, the knight can't move, the bishop can't move as it must defend the knight, so he is reduced to rookd8 and pawn moves!

I can post a few winning lines for us later from this final position after 35...a5, but would like some feedback first (am I overlooking something simple?).

Also, it is only 1 prospective line from where we are at just now!

Originally posted by streetfighter
That's a lot of work resigning soon - thanks for that!

I'm just looking at this line [b] 23...Qxc4 24.Qxc4 Rxc4 25.Rd1 Nc7 26.Rb8+ Kh7 27.Rd8 Nxd5 28.Bg1 Nc3 29.Re1 Ba4 30.Rxe7 Rb4 31.Re1 Nb5 32.c3 Nxc3 33.Rc8 Nb5 34.Rd8 draw

What if we continue with 34...Na3? I don't see a defence for white at the moment. If he plays 35.Rc1 then we continue ...[text shortened]... omething simple?).

Also, it is only 1 prospective line from where we are at just now![/b]

I think your right, we are winning....I think Nxd4 is straightforward enough. Maybe I left out 33.a3 Rb7 34.Rc8 Nb5 35.Rd8 draw

Originally posted by streetfighter
That's a lot of work resigning soon - thanks for that!

I'm just looking at this line [b] 23...Qxc4 24.Qxc4 Rxc4 25.Rd1 Nc7 26.Rb8+ Kh7 27.Rd8 Nxd5 28.Bg1 Nc3 29.Re1 Ba4 30.Rxe7 Rb4 31.Re1 Nb5 32.c3 Nxc3 33.Rc8 Nb5 34.Rd8 draw

What if we continue with 34...Na3? I don't see a defence for white at the moment. If he plays 35.Rc1 then we continue ...[text shortened]... omething simple?).

Also, it is only 1 prospective line from where we are at just now![/b]

33 Rc8?? a3! looks like a draw.

However the whole line itself looks like it must have a few deviations from it, however it looks promising and i think that we do have very nice chances. Though, winning? I doubt.

What refutes 23...Nd6 24. c5 Nb5

?

Does white just give back the exchange?

25. Rxb5 Bxb5 26. c6 looks deeply unpleasent.

Originally posted by Diet Coke
What refutes 23...Nd6 24. c5 Nb5

?

Does white just give back the exchange?

25. Rxb5 Bxb5 26. c6 looks deeply unpleasent.

I think 23...Nd6 24.c5 Nb5 25.Nxb5 Bxb5 26.Bd4

or 23...Nd6 24.c5 Nb5 25.Nxb5 Bxc3 26.Nxc7 Rxc7 27.c6 would be pretty nasty for us.

This thread has died; probably time to submit a move. Bumping

23...Qxc4 for me I don't think there is a great deal of difference in many of the lines, but I like some of the sneaky traps in this one : )

I'll throw my hat in with ResigningSoon and Streetfighter. I haven't had a lot of time to delve into this position. Maybe it doesn't matter so much, ...Qxc4 and ...Nd6 seem to be quite similar.

I also vote for Qxc4

Yes, Qxc4 look very good.

I'll vote for it,

Originally posted by Sophy
Yes, Qxc4 look very good.

I'll vote for it,

Qxc4 must be so good that you voted for it twice!

In that case, if it is allowed, I'd like to change my vote to Qxc4.