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In the endgame, given similar pawns / pawn structure, would you prefer to play a Queen against 2 Rooks or 2 Rooks against a Queen?

I really cant decide which is the better position to be in.

Given I am hardly the worlds strongest player, mistakes can be made, so I suspect the theoretical answer may not apply to a modest player.

What are your thoughts?

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2 rooks = 1 queen

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Originally posted by HFRorbis
2 rooks = 1 queen
The generally accepted point system states Rook=5 while Queen=9.

Although this seems to answer my own question, I'm not convienced of this is practice.

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The Evaluation of Material Imbalances
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/danheisman/Articles/evaluation_of_material_imbalance.htm

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Assuming both sides have protected past pawns, and neither side have repeated checks, The rooks will probably win...

Why? well, when it is necessary to do so, you sac the Rook for the passed pawn/Queen and promote your own.

by the same logic, 2B+N is better than a Queen, and B/N+N/B is better than a Rook.

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http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1306138
A nice win by kramnik with 2 rooks vs queen, the game has some annotion,hope it helps.

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usually two rooks are much stronger than a queen.

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A queen is more valuable than 2 rooks when there are more pieces on the board to support it, since it can cause more problems at once. But in the late middlegame/endgame the rooks are better, sometimes much better, since their sweeping powers come into their own.

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I disagree with the above.
I would take the queen, especially in the endgame. The queen is such as playmaker, and it is damn hard to lose when you have one and your opponent does not.
I fondly remember a great Mikal Tal game where he had a queen against a rook and two nights in the endgame and masterfully mopped the floor with his opponent.

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Originally posted by hawillis
I disagree with the above.
I would take the queen, especially in the endgame. The queen is such as playmaker, and it is damn hard to lose when you have one and your opponent does not.
I fondly remember a great Mikal Tal game where he had a queen against a rook and two nights in the endgame and masterfully mopped the floor with his opponent.
Do you have the pgn or link for this? I love Tal, but I don't think I've seen that game.

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Originally posted by hawillis
I disagree with the above.
I would take the queen, especially in the endgame. The queen is such as playmaker, and it is damn hard to lose when you have one and your opponent does not.
I fondly remember a great Mikal Tal game where he had a queen against a rook and two nights in the endgame and masterfully mopped the floor with his opponent.
Queens because they are so strong can only attack the most basic of weaknesses making them impotent in a lot of positions. Think of it this way, queen attacks protected rook......rook giggles......rook attacks protected queen......queen runs away 🙂

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Originally posted by TopTim
The generally accepted point system states Rook=5 while Queen=9.

Although this seems to answer my own question, I'm not convienced of this is practice.
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a queen is worth 2 rooks if not more because the queen moves easier among opponent's lines
the queen is worth more than 2 rooks in the beginning of the game because the rooks are stuck in the corners
and the queen is worth 2 rooks in the mid game when the 2 rooks are active
and as a general rule,in an empty board,
a rook =5 pawns
a queen = 10 pawns =2 rooks

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