22 Feb 06
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Originally posted by ark13The Queen even I can do. I'd be happy to try with two Bishops. One Knight and one Bishop sounds a nightmare.
Common Possible Checkmates
1 Rook
1 Queen
2 Bishops
1 Knight, 1 Bishop (difficult)
But mate with one rook is possible, but tricky?
EDIT: Basically, the one Rook ++ is the most difficult? When I learnt from a tiny paper-back book and a plastic chess set, I read that a valuation of the pieces can be set very basically at:
1 point for a pawn;
3 for N;
3 for B;
5 for R;
10 for Q.
So by that, rook is the most bloody difficult. Is that about right?
22 Feb 06
Originally posted by sjegIn order of easyiness:
The Queen even I can do. I'd be happy to try with two Bishops. One Knight and one Bishop sounds a nightmare.
But mate with one rook is possible, but tricky?
EDIT: Basically, the one Rook ++ is the most difficult? When I learnt from a tiny paper-back book and a plastic chess set, I read that a valuation of the pieces can be set very basically at:
1 poin ...[text shortened]... B;
5 for R;
10 for Q.
So by that, rook is the most bloody difficult. Is that about right?
Queen
Rook
Bishops*2
Knight + Bishop
Single knight vs lone pawn (possible to mate sometimes)
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22 Feb 06
Originally posted by sjegNot even close, N+B is freakin hard if you don't know how to do it.
The Queen even I can do. I'd be happy to try with two Bishops. One Knight and one Bishop sounds a nightmare.
But mate with one rook is possible, but tricky?
EDIT: Basically, the one Rook ++ is the most difficult? When I learnt from a tiny paper-back book and a plastic chess set, I read that a valuation of the pieces can be set very basically at:
1 poin ...[text shortened]... B;
5 for R;
10 for Q.
So by that, rook is the most bloody difficult. Is that about right?
Someone wrote an excellent thread on how to do it around month ago on this very forum.
22 Feb 06
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Originally posted by TheGambitIt just seems to me that stalemate is tough to avoid with the one rook. I think I see one way. Anyway, thanks for the information.
Not even close, N+B is freakin hard if you don't know how to do it.
Someone wrote an excellent thread on how to do it around month ago on this very forum.
Did anyone else learn with those points in mind (see above)?
EDIT: Thanks, Sicilian- I'd just worked that out before you posted it. Cheers to all.
22 Feb 06
with a rook it's simple. Use your rook to make a fence that the opposing king can't pass over. Bring your king over so that he will either oppose your king or move back. If he moves back, push your rook over and fence him in tighter. If he faces your king, check him with the rook and he'll have to move back. In either case, keep moving him toward theedge of board, using the same technique over and over until he's at the very edge of the board. When you use the same procedure forthe last time, he can't move back with the king because there's no space left so it's checkmate. I used to dothis as a kid, thousands of time against myself, trying every possible way to wriggle out. One possible way to try to get out is to bring the opposing king over next to the rook, threatening to take. In that case justmove the rook to the other side of the board, maintaining the fence. if he wants to try it again his king will have to pass in front of yours, when you chck him and move him back. It's a lot of words but really quite simple.
22 Feb 06
Originally posted by TenguNot totally correct.
K+2N vs K = Draw
It is possible to checkmate the lone king, but only if the defender makes a mistake. i.e. the win is not forced. However, the side with the lone king cannot claim a draw based on the position alone (need 50 move rule, etc. to apply)
22 Feb 06
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Originally posted by sjegIf you are finding it hard to mate with one rook, just push it to either the A or H file, cutting off the enemy king from going onto or beyond that file. Then get your king in opposition with your opponent's (i,e, so they are facing each other, with an empty file in between).
It just seems to me that stalemate is tough to avoid with the one rook. I think I see one way. Anyway, thanks for the information.
Did anyone else learn with those points in mind (see above)?
EDIT: Thanks, Sicilian- I'd just worked that out before you posted it. Cheers to all.
Then move your rook onto the same rank as your opponent's king. It will have to retreat.
Repeat, until he/she runs out of ranks to retreat. Checkmate.
[EDIT: three edits to make it readable. Aagh!]
22 Feb 06
Originally posted by dottewellNote that since you need to check him while you have the opposition, move your king to one side or the other of opposition and chase him until he moves into it. If he attacks your rook, swing it to the other side of the board.
If you are finding it hard to mate with one rook, just push it to either the A or H file, cutting off the enemy king from going onto or beyond that file. Then get your king in opposition with your opponent's (i,e, so they are facing each other, with an empty file in between).
Then move your rook onto the same rank as your opponent's king. It will have ...[text shortened]... she runs out of ranks to retreat. Checkmate.
[EDIT: three edits to make it readable. Aagh!]