seeking insiteful advice

I would like to hear any thoughts on best to play against wht. Ruy Lopez aka spanish .. as a counter measure.
That's 1.e4
2.Nf3
3.Bb5
4.O-O
Plz help .. Anaconda64sq

put your tail between your legs and run like hell...

lol I know that much !! Any other useful nuggets ???

look through some of these...


http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=C62

Originally posted by Sicilian Smaug
White will get the better of the Ruy Lopez whatever you do.
..try
1 e4 e5
2 Nf3 Nc6
3 Bb5 a6
4 Ba4 Nf6
Cant remember if that's called the Berlin Defence or what it is.

The "main line" then continues...
5. 0-0 Be7
6. Re1 b5
7. Bb3 d6
8. h3 0-0

I wouldn't say it's that bad for black. It's one of the few lines I'm happy to play as either white or black.

"fishing pool"

Originally posted by Sicilian Smaug
White will get the better of the Ruy Lopez whatever you do.
..try
1 e4 e5
2 Nf3 Nc6
3 Bb5 a6
4 Ba4 Nf6
Cant remember if that's called the Berlin Defence or what it is.

At work so can't check this but I'm pretty sure that's the line Kramnik played against Kasparov a few times in their match, often described as Kramnik putting up the 'Berlin Wall'. Kasparov couldn't break it. Since that match there have been some new moves tried for both sides. The main line takes you to a position with queen's off and a totally open centre. Not easy to play by any stretch, for either side.

Or am I thinking of the line with ...Nf6 instead of ...a6

Originally posted by AnaConda64sq
I would like to hear any thoughts on best to play against wht. Ruy Lopez aka spanish .. as a counter measure.
That's 1.e4
2.Nf3
3.Bb5
4.O-O
Plz help .. Anaconda64sq

For OTB I suggest 3. ...f6!?, opening surprise.

Originally posted by schakuhr
For OTB I suggest 3. ...f6!?, opening surprise.

Or even ...f5 which isn't the soundest defence but over the board White (and Black but you'll learn the lines, right..?) has to play very accurately.

Its not trappy, its sharp, honest!

I play the Sicilian as black, which is the easiest way of avoiding the Spanish, but if you want to stick with 1. ... e5 and 2. ... Nc6 you could try the Berlin defence: 1. e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 - Game 1235663.

I always enjoyed the Delayed Schlieman 🙂 they do not expect it and it is a lot of fun to play 😉

Game 1911257

Ofcourse i lost this game because i make stupid mistakes and the guy is just way way way to good for me to play with, lol

Originally posted by Sicilian Smaug
White will get the better of the Ruy Lopez whatever you do.
..try
1 e4 e5
2 Nf3 Nc6
3 Bb5 a6
4 Ba4 Nf6
Cant remember if that's called the Berlin Defence or what it is.

3...a6 is the Morphy Defence.

The Berlin is 3...Nf6.

Question for you after black plays a6 then ba4 if black playes b5 is this good for white or black and why? Thanks Kevin