Please turn on javascript in your browser to play chess.
Only Chess Forum

Only Chess Forum

  1. 28 Apr '06 11:21
    I would like to hear any thoughts on best to play against wht. Ruy Lopez aka spanish .. as a counter measure.
    That's 1.e4
    2.Nf3
    3.Bb5
    4.O-O
    Plz help .. Anaconda64sq
  2. Standard member onyx2006
    onyx2007
    28 Apr '06 11:30
    put your tail between your legs and run like hell...
  3. 28 Apr '06 11:33
    lol I know that much !! Any other useful nuggets ???
  4. Standard member onyx2006
    onyx2007
    28 Apr '06 11:42
    look through some of these...


    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=C62
  5. 28 Apr '06 13:01
    Originally posted by Sicilian Smaug
    White will get the better of the Ruy Lopez whatever you do.
    ..try
    1 e4 e5
    2 Nf3 Nc6
    3 Bb5 a6
    4 Ba4 Nf6
    Cant remember if that's called the Berlin Defence or what it is.
    The "main line" then continues...
    5. 0-0 Be7
    6. Re1 b5
    7. Bb3 d6
    8. h3 0-0

    I wouldn't say it's that bad for black. It's one of the few lines I'm happy to play as either white or black.
  6. 28 Apr '06 14:25
    "fishing pool"
  7. 28 Apr '06 15:11 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sicilian Smaug
    White will get the better of the Ruy Lopez whatever you do.
    ..try
    1 e4 e5
    2 Nf3 Nc6
    3 Bb5 a6
    4 Ba4 Nf6
    Cant remember if that's called the Berlin Defence or what it is.
    At work so can't check this but I'm pretty sure that's the line Kramnik played against Kasparov a few times in their match, often described as Kramnik putting up the 'Berlin Wall'. Kasparov couldn't break it. Since that match there have been some new moves tried for both sides. The main line takes you to a position with queen's off and a totally open centre. Not easy to play by any stretch, for either side.

    Or am I thinking of the line with ...Nf6 instead of ...a6
  8. 28 Apr '06 15:25
    Originally posted by AnaConda64sq
    I would like to hear any thoughts on best to play against wht. Ruy Lopez aka spanish .. as a counter measure.
    That's 1.e4
    2.Nf3
    3.Bb5
    4.O-O
    Plz help .. Anaconda64sq
    For OTB I suggest 3. ...f6!?, opening surprise.
  9. 28 Apr '06 15:34
    Originally posted by schakuhr
    For OTB I suggest 3. ...f6!?, opening surprise.
    Or even ...f5 which isn't the soundest defence but over the board White (and Black but you'll learn the lines, right..?) has to play very accurately.

    Its not trappy, its sharp, honest!
  10. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    28 Apr '06 16:35
    I play the Sicilian as black, which is the easiest way of avoiding the Spanish, but if you want to stick with 1. ... e5 and 2. ... Nc6 you could try the Berlin defence: 1. e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 - Game 1235663.
  11. Standard member coentje
    Plop!
    28 Apr '06 17:06
    I always enjoyed the Delayed Schlieman they do not expect it and it is a lot of fun to play

    Game 1911257

    Ofcourse i lost this game because i make stupid mistakes and the guy is just way way way to good for me to play with, lol
  12. 28 Apr '06 18:40
    Originally posted by Sicilian Smaug
    White will get the better of the Ruy Lopez whatever you do.
    ..try
    1 e4 e5
    2 Nf3 Nc6
    3 Bb5 a6
    4 Ba4 Nf6
    Cant remember if that's called the Berlin Defence or what it is.
    3...a6 is the Morphy Defence.

    The Berlin is 3...Nf6.
  13. 28 Apr '06 19:47
    Question for you after black plays a6 then ba4 if black playes b5 is this good for white or black and why? Thanks Kevin
  14. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    29 Apr '06 00:24 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Kevin Mcfarland
    Question for you after black plays a6 then ba4 if black playes b5 is this good for white or black and why? Thanks Kevin
    Normally neither side commits on this until the last moment. The main lines of the closed defences start with: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. 0-0 Be7 6. Re1 b5 black leaves off playing b5 until it is neccessary, once white has secured his own e pawn with 6. Re1 black has to do something about the threat of Nxe5. It is possible to play b5 earlier as black with a perfectly reasonable game.
  15. 29 Apr '06 13:05
    Originally posted by Kevin Mcfarland
    Question for you after black plays a6 then ba4 if black playes b5 is this good for white or black and why? Thanks Kevin
    Ideally ...b5 should be held in reserve until its needed. The point of ..a6 is to continually threaten Bxc6 and then winning Black's e-pawn, ...b5 is usually held in reserve until the threat becomes too much or Black wants to ease the tension. Otherwise all it does is chase White's bishop to a better diagonal.