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Originally posted by Swiss ToniNot quite. First, strictly speaking, Canadians are Americans... just not United-States-Of-America'ns. Second, the Canadian and USAnian flags aren't very, very similar, so the error is a lot easier to make in the Oz/NZ case.
Incorrect. mgbal flew the Australian flag. That error is the equivalent of mistaking a Canadian for an American.
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Originally posted by Diophantusthere's tebb, northern lad, and I think there was a third one I can't remember right now? the rest are faking it as far as I know. but I don't know all.
How do you know there are any masters in the top 20?
and even these guys are past their active days I think, so it's not that big a miracle if an untitled player does well against them.
in these days of internet chess, it's not that uncommon anymore to have strong untitled players. no sarcasm there. in the old days you were forced to frequent official tournaments if you wanted to play, inevitably winding up with a title if you got strong enough. but those days are long gone. now we just play online, get strong opponents in seconds without taking one step outside the house, and some of us even get good eventually.
getting the title is no longer very relevant unless you're seeking a career in chess. and who can bother with all that crap?
It is possible that a player could solely play and train online and reach an otb equivalent strength of Fide Master, but I think it is very unlikely that many people actually accomplish that.
First off, most people who play OTB play online as well. They are not mutually exclusive, so the only difference there is that the OTB player is dedicating some of his time to actual OTB play.
Second, it is very hard to get games online that are longer than say... 3-5min blitz. You can sit around for an hour before finding someone to play in a g/45 let alone in 45/45 or longer. Toss in that probably half your opponents will play some throw sand in your face 1.. b6 line and try to beat you on time means that you are really practicing shallow tactics and refuting marginal lines just as often as not. This limits the real practical value of blitz.
And lastly,unlike one's internet rating, a title (with one or two embarassing exceptions) is indisputable.
Originally posted by wormwoodDavid Tebb isn't a master according to FIDE, I haven't checked ICCF yet on the grounds that idiots will start up another hue and cry. Northern Lad may be but, as I said, there is no way to verify that. The other one? Anyone's guess without a verifiable name.
there's tebb, northern lad, and I think there was a third one I can't remember right now? the rest are faking it as far as I know. but I don't know all.
and even these guys are past their active days I think, so it's not that big a miracle if an untitled player does well against them.
in these days of internet chess, it's not that uncommon any ...[text shortened]... y relevant unless you're seeking a career in chess. and who can bother with all that crap?
So I suppose we can safely conclude that whoever is occupying the top slot has not actually outperformed a real master of any description.
Originally posted by nimzo5yeah, that's all also true. I don't really understand why an online rating should be 'indisputable' though. it's just a number. as is an otb rating. neither will give you the tiniest bit of advantage in a game.
It is possible that a player could solely play and train online and reach an otb equivalent strength of Fide Master, but I think it is very unlikely that many people actually accomplish that.
First off, most people who play OTB play online as well. They are not mutually exclusive, so the only difference there is that the OTB player is dedicating some of h ...[text shortened]... unlike one's internet rating, a title (with one or two embarassing exceptions) is indisputable.
huh, I guess tebb isn't an FM then. don't know where I got that stuck in my head... maybe the kasparov win.
Originally posted by wormwoodAccording to his FIDE record his rating has never reached 2300 so therefore not an FM. I don't think ECF does national masters and all that rubbish, although they may have changed that since the last time I had anything to do with ECF.
huh, I guess tebb isn't an FM then. don't know where I got that stuck in my head... maybe the kasparov win.
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Originally posted by DiophantusThe Fide site only shows the ratings since the year 2000. I was rated over 2300 a few years earlier than that - probably around 15 years ago.
According to his FIDE record his rating has never reached 2300 so therefore not an FM. I don't think ECF does national masters and all that rubbish, although they may have changed that since the last time I had anything to do with ECF.
The highest Fide rating I got to was 2320, but I soon slipped back to below 2300 again.
An ECF official once sent me a letter offering to obtain the Fide Master title for me, as I had met the rating requirements. Fine, an FM title would have been quite nice.
The catch was that the ECF were also demanding a £100 "administrative" fee to process the paperwork. 15 years ago, £100 was a lot of money!
Actually £100 in today's money still seems an excessive amount to charge for a service as trivial as looking up someone's rating on a website.
Anyway, now that my rating has sunk below the 2200 waterline, I’m quite relieved that I didn’t claim the FM title. It would just be embarrassing.
Originally posted by David Tebb...and fifteen years before that, shortly after FIDE introduced the FM title in about 1980, I and two club colleagues got similar invites. As far as I can recall, the fee then was £30 and the rating threshold was c. 2250 (price & grade inflation have kicked in since). Two of us declined to pay; one colleague stumped up the cash. It was transparently an income-earner for FIDE. I couldn't retain 2250 OTB so it became irrelevant, but my other colleague still holds 2300+. The one who bought the title has never reached 2300, and no longer holds 2200.
An ECF official once sent me a letter offering to obtain the Fide Master title for me, as I had met the rating requirements. Fine, an FM title would have been quite nice. The catch was that the ECF were also demanding a £100 "administrative" fee to process the paperwork. 15 years ago, £100 was a lot of money!
It's all a bit of nonsense. GM and IM are worthy titles; FM is just a conceit. David Tebb did well to knock it on the head. But it's not too late for him to become a CM. That's FIDE's latest money-spinner 😀
Hi David.
We know you are an FM+ and that is good enough.
You can get a straight GM title (no norms required) by winning the
World Senior Championship. The winner is automatically awarded the GM title.
You don't even have to qualify, just ask your chess federation to send you.
I'm 60 in June (the qualifying age) so fully expect to be a GM at the end of 2012.
I mean if I cannot beat up a handful of old codgers then who can I beat. 😉
Hi Atticus.
FIDE charge 250 Euro's for a player to apply to change a federation
and if that player is a GM then it's something like a 30,000 Euro compensation fee.
Originally posted by greenpawn34Old Korchnoi shouldn't be a problem, eh?
Hi David.
We know you are an FM+ and that is good enough.
You can get a straight GM title (no norms required) by winning the
World Senior Championship. The winner is automatically awarded the GM title.
You don't even have to qualify, just ask your chess federation to send you.
I'm 60 in June (the qualifying age) so fully expect to be a GM a ...[text shortened]... eration
and if that player is a GM then it's something like a 30,000 Euro compensation fee.