Our clan has its own database, consisting of analysed games played by Caro-Kann by our clanmembers.
Although the whole analyses are open to clanmembers only, as they are located in private forums - almost in every game there are interesting tactical moments that deserve being published in public forums.
I open this thread in order to publish such games (played by Caro-Kann) where interesting tactics were not played in the game itself but were revealed during post-game analysis (using engine).
I will put the link to the game - and ask a question abt white's or black's move or move consequence (not played in the game) in certain position. Next day I will publish the right answer. As such things were revealed with the help of computer, please don't use engine if u want to try and solve the problem, cause you will learn nothing yourself and only will spoil the pleasure to others.
I realize that there are dozens of such chess problems evrywhere in internet, but I see special interest in finding interesting combinations in the games played by us (if you challenge our clan or play C-K thematical tournaments, there is a chance that you will find here the games played by YOU).
OK, here goes the first one.
It is taken from the game played by KingDavid 403 vs. snjortp in the frame of clan challenge (KingDavid Mighty Warriors vs. C-K DL).
The players played an unclassified line of Caro-Kann. KingDavid 403 won.
But the opening was bad for White and in position after White's 15 moves - all Black pieces are set in ideal squares in order to launch a spectacular and winning attack.
Game 1635726
So.... Look at the position after White's move 15. Be3 and try to guess what winning tactics Black could use .
Remind: don't use computer while solving the problem.
Originally posted by Vovochka15...f4
May be - but - lets continue from where you stopped and give me the line, if White : a) plays 17. gf
b) plays 17. Qd1
Also - give a continuation if after 15. ... f4 White plays 16. Bc1
16.Bc1 f3
17.gxf3 Qh3
[17.Qd1 Qg4 18.g3 Qh3 and Black must give up the Queen for a pawn.]
Originally posted by VovochkaWell if 16. Bc1 I think I would still play f3. No difference that I can see except it gives black another peice to attack with. I was just giving the idea of opening up the kingside but ill give it a go.
May be - but - lets continue from where you stopped and give me the line, if White : a) plays 17. gf
b) plays 17. Qd1
Also - give a continuation if after 15. ... f4 White plays 16. Bc1
a) 17. gxf3
17... Nh4
Threatining Nxf3+
18. Nd2 Nxf3+
19. Nxf3 Qg5+
20. Kh1
and I just noticed it doesnt work...
So go back and play 17... Rxf3
18. Nxf3 Qg5+
19. Kh1 Nxf3
20. xxx Qh3
21. xxx Qxh2#
b) 17. Qd1
Hmm...
17...... Qg5
18. g3 Qh3
19. xx Qg2#
Thats what I come up with. So whats everyone else thinking?
Originally posted by Santa DrummerWell, generally the idea of 15. ... f4 and 16. ... f3 is the right one and I think that it is really not easy to find during the game. I am impressed by how quickly people found the decision
Well if 16. Bc1 I think I would still play f3. No difference that I can see except it gives black another peice to attack with.
But, In fact 16. Bc1 makes the difference for 2 reasons:
1) It leaves to white diagonal c1-h6 under their control - important in some variants
2) differently from 16. Bd2 it gives an opportunity to put there a knight temporarily securing f3 spot.
By the way it is the only defence where white don't lose queen or get quick checkmate.
here is approximate line:
16. Bc1 f3!! 17. gf Qh3 18. Kh1 R:f3 19. d4 (to block bishop's diagonal) Bc7 20. Rg1 ed 21. Rg2 Nh4 22. Qf1 B:h2 23. Nd2 Bd6+ 24. Kg1 dc ... and so on - I think that even if there are some variants they are just different kinds of torture for White :-)
Originally posted by Vovochka19...Raf8
Well, generally the idea of 15. ... f4 and 16. ... f3 is the right one and I think that it is really not easy to find during the game. I am impressed by how quickly people found the decision
But, In fact 16. Bc1 makes the difference for 2 reasons:
1) It leaves to white diagonal c1-h6 under their control - important in some variants
2) differently from ...[text shortened]... hink that even if there are some variants they are just different kinds of torture for White :-)
EDIT: You might not see how this wins, I'll add the continuation...
20. Nd2 e4
21.Nxf3 exf3
And White has a forced mate.
Can you give us the analysis? It seems we are the only people interested lol. 🙂 Or did we get it right? I know my grade here is 1300-1400 but I dont really think about the moves which is why I like these puzzles. I really want to come better (yes amazingly after my last sentence!) so I like doing this. 😀
BTW Do you 2 guys have an OTB grade? My published one is 983 but thats my first ever grade and this year I am playing LOTS of events OTB. Im only 14 so lay off!! 😛 My newest grade is 1107 though...
Originally posted by Santa DrummerI have a provisional grading of around 1400.
Can you give us the analysis? It seems we are the only people interested lol. 🙂 Or did we get it right? I know my grade here is 1300-1400 but I dont really think about the moves which is why I like these puzzles. I really want to come better (yes amazingly after my last sentence!) so I like doing this. 😀
BTW Do you 2 guys have an OTB grade? My pu ...[text shortened]... ar I am playing LOTS of events OTB. Im only 14 so lay off!! 😛 My newest grade is 1107 though...
However, this grading is from when I was about 12, when I stopped playing for a few years and I've only taken up chess again recently. It's set to improve, I hope. I am 15.
Originally posted by lukemcmullanNice 🙂 Im nearly 15... great your a whole 300 points above me! Oh well!
I have a provisional grading of around 1400.
However, this grading is from when I was about 12, when I stopped playing for a few years and I've only taken up chess again recently. It's set to improve, I hope. I am 15.
OK, since the right decision to the previous problem was found, here is another one:
Game 1588491
This game was played in ongoing Caro-Kann thematical tournament and I made a draw with an opponent graded 250 points lower than me - elohyim chanaan.
We agreed for a draw thinking that we have nothing better than repeating moves, but as analysis shows it was a draw of "two fools".
This is because after each my move (in the end) my opponent had an advantage and after each his answer I at least could force a draw.
I'll bring you to the position after white's 37th move 37. Nd6
Please find how Black could force a draw!