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  1. 08 Aug '10 16:50
    Here is the refutation of the Sicilian.

    1.e4 c5



    The c-pawn is loose so attack it.

    2.Qh5 ...



    Black has to defend the c-pawn.

    2... b6
    3.Bc4 ...




    White threatens mate f7. Black has to stop that.

    3...g6
    4.Qd5 ...




    Mate on f7 is again threatened and the a8 Rook is under attack.
    This double attack cannot be stopped with one move.

    Black is lost and the Sicilian has been refuted.

    Ha ha ha, greepawn and his jokes, nobody is going to fall for that.

    HoanVN - EmLaske RHP 2006



    White then screwed it up and the game was drawn, which is mostly likely
    the reason why this line in 2006 never burst upon the chess world.

    This game followed the mainline Black resigned after 7 moves.

    drmartin - SanFede RHP 2009

  2. 08 Aug '10 16:57 / 1 edit
    Why not 2 ... d6

    ?

    Natural progression of the Sicilian?

    Edit: Never mind. I just saw your second game. I can't be that easy, what's the catch?
  3. 08 Aug '10 17:02
    The catch my dear friend is this refutation has been kept a secret
    all this time so the dumb ass GM's can sell the chumps opening books
    on the Sicilian.

    It's all about money, it's always about the money.
  4. 08 Aug '10 17:11 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    The catch my dear friend is this refutation has been kept a secret
    all this time so the dumb ass GM's can sell the chumps opening books
    on the Sicilian.

    It's all about money, it's always about the money.
    hahaha! JUST NOW on Blitz!

  5. 09 Aug '10 07:37
    I love this!

    ....BUT it would mean I would have to open with 1. e4 which I cannot abide because I like 1. f4 so much.


    I will definitely keep this Qh5 idea under my hat though
  6. 09 Aug '10 08:04
    Black isn't forced to protect the c-pawn. Still, stuff happens when black becomes over-enthusiastic :



  7. Standard member skeeter
    515 + 30 days
    09 Aug '10 08:38
    Originally posted by Mephisto2
    Black isn't forced to protect the c-pawn........
    Thank you. Sanity still prevails.

    skeeter
  8. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    09 Aug '10 09:02
    Originally posted by Mephisto2
    Black isn't forced to protect the c-pawn. Still, stuff happens when black becomes over-enthusiastic :

    [pgn]1.e4 c5 2.Qh5 Nf6 3.Qxc5 Nxe4 4.Qe3 d5 5.Bb5+ Nc6 6.Nf3 a6 7.Bxc6+ bxc6 8.O-O Qc7 9.d3 Nf6 10.Qd4 e6 11.Bg5 c5 12.Qh4 Rb8 13.c4 Rxb2 14.Bxf6 gxf6 15.Qxf6 1-0[/pgn]

    isn't black still alive with Rg8-Bg7 though, with a nice rook and a (okay, maybe useless) diagonal? cxd looks like the real threat though, the rook coming in and blowing up the rest of black's position...
  9. 09 Aug '10 09:06
    2).. e6 would also be solid, followed up by Nf6 attacking the Queen gaininf a tempo.
    There is also nothing wrong with 2) ..d6 so long as you dont give away the Bishop with the daft move 3) ..Be6
    Cant imagine there would be very much demand for a book on how to avoid schoolboy errors in the Sicilian.
  10. Standard member skeeter
    515 + 30 days
    09 Aug '10 09:09
    Originally posted by lundybishop
    .......can't imagine there would be very much demand for a book on how to avoid schoolboy errors in the Sicilian.
    Exactly.

    skeeter
  11. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    09 Aug '10 09:13
    Originally posted by lundybishop

    Cant imagine there would be very much demand for a book on how to avoid schoolboy errors in the Sicilian.
    I think that would be great! all the reasons for the book moves instead of the 'correct' ones. the average beginner always skims or neglects everything but the mainlines, so a book focusing on the bad moves should be great.
  12. 09 Aug '10 10:59
    Originally posted by wormwood
    isn't black still alive with Rg8-Bg7 though, with a nice rook and a (okay, maybe useless) diagonal? cxd looks like the real threat though, the rook coming in and blowing up the rest of black's position...
    After Rg8 Qxb2 Bg7, doesn't Nc3 give white an easy game, a rook up?
  13. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    09 Aug '10 11:19
    Originally posted by Mephisto2
    After Rg8 Qxb2 Bg7, doesn't Nc3 give white an easy game, a rook up?
    oops! this is why I never play after 3-4h of sleep.
  14. 09 Aug '10 11:19 / 3 edits
    It would be a good book WW. And although this was a joke thread
    (2...Nf6 and if 3.Qxc5 then Nxe4 is one line)



    I just got fed up seeing posts asking for absolute winning lines
    against every opening under the Sun from the starting position.
    They do not exist.

    I did show that humans can and have blundered v this line.
    And the chances are the Black player's played 1...c5 becuase they
    had heard the Sicialin was good and all they knew was the first move.

    (not a natural Black move 1....c5 the masters never really appreciated how
    good and complex this was until the early 1900's. Till then it was often
    classed as an irregular opening).

    Perhaps could do a book showing all these lines and ideas from
    actual games played on RHP.

    Showing games of their peers rather than the same old GM games
    again and again and again and again and again......
    with what NEVER happened in the notes.

    Showing what DID happen would be rather refreshing.

    These guys down there are not tossing moves out random there is
    some thought behind them.
    Their beautiful logic is just a few steps down from really good chess.

    I have discovered an absolutely amazing game which is going
    on the next Blog. A game that totally deserves to be pasted into
    every beginners primer and it was played by a lad who is now 1900+
    It's just a good and totally unique game of chess.

    A game I posted in another thread is very instructive.
    You understand every White move and why it was played.

    1.e4 c5 2.Bc4 (hit f7 no messing about) 2...e5.

    3.Qf3 threaten mate on f7.



    4.g4. to chase the f6 Knight and mate on f7



    5.c3 to stop the Knight coming to d4 to chase the Queen.



    6. h3 cannot play g5 because Bg4 chasing the Queen so stops Bg4.



    7. d3 attack the g5 pawn so he can clear the g5 square and
    get ready to push the g-pawn again to mate on f2.



    8. Bd5 needs Bishop for mate on f7 but sees after Nxd5 cxd5
    that the a5 Knight has no retreat.



    9.exd5 forced has to capture back on d5. All part of plan B.



    10 b4 Traps Knight on a5. Game ends.



    But now laying in the background.

    10...cxb4 12 cxb4 Nc6 13.dxc6 Bxc6



    I think your average 1400 player would get something from that.
    The modern writer won't use such 'joke' games. (too much work).

    "I'll show them Karpov-Spassky Leningrad 1973 they will understand that."

    Here is the game from RHP. Full info in header.

  15. 09 Aug '10 14:01
    Originally posted by wormwood
    I think that would be great! all the reasons for the book moves instead of the 'correct' ones. the average beginner always skims or neglects everything but the mainlines, so a book focusing on the bad moves should be great.
    Euwe's books did something like that. Pity they're now 70 years out of date.

    Richard