1. SubscriberPaul Leggett
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    09 Aug '10 14:18
    Originally posted by wormwood
    I think that would be great! all the reasons for the book moves instead of the 'correct' ones. the average beginner always skims or neglects everything but the mainlines, so a book focusing on the bad moves should be great.
    Dude, you are giving away my secret. I've been learning and playing the Accelerated Dragon on the site, and more than 75% of the games I have won come from 3 pages in Andrew Greet's Starting Out: The Accelerated Dragon.

    The are the pages at the beginning of a couple of chapters that identify inferior moves, and why they fail. I have them bookmarked, and the patterns are sinking into my head for use when I play it OTB.

    Of course, I am wasting my time a bit because in Florida, USA, 1. e4 players almost never play 3. d4 against the Sicilian, but if I am ever pleasantly surprised by an Open Sicilian OTB, I will be ready!
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    09 Aug '10 14:37
    Originally posted by Shallow Blue
    Euwe's books did something like that. Pity they're now 70 years out of date.

    Richard
    You mean 'master vs amateur'?They're as instructive now as when they were written.

    What do you find outdated about them?

    toet.
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    09 Aug '10 21:36
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    It would be a good book WW. And although this was a joke thread
    (2...Nf6 and if 3.Qxc5 then Nxe4 is one line)

    [fen]rnbqkb1r/pp1ppppp/8/2Q5/4n3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNB1KBNR w KQkq - 0 4[/fen]

    I just got fed up seeing posts asking for absolute winning lines
    against every opening under the Sun from the starting position.
    They do not exist.

    I did show ...[text shortened]... 3 g5
    7. d3 Nc6a5 8. Bc4d5 Nf6xd5 9. exd5 Bc8d7 10. b4[/pgn]
    From the final position black can play ..Nc6 as dxc6 doesn't work in view of Bxc6 which skewers Qf3 against Rh1...
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    09 Aug '10 22:28
    Geoff

    Its too easy for you to do the joke threads here... you really are a bad man !!😉

    Paul

    I really should get that book, then Bh6 wouldnt be such a surprise !!
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    09 Aug '10 22:59
    Originally posted by toeternitoe
    You mean 'master vs amateur'?They're as instructive now as when they were written.
    I completely agree. In fact I think the whole series is great.

    Chess Master v. Chess Amateur
    Road to Chess Mastery
    Chess Master v. Chess Master
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    09 Aug '10 23:23
    They are very good books.

    I think when the lad said they dated he meant descriptive notation.
    Have they been re-done in algebraic. My set are in descriptive.
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    09 Aug '10 23:271 edit
    Hi ST40.

    Every other thread is an opening thread.

    And 99 times out of a 100 the answer to what they want to know
    is answered by looking the position or just simply making a developing move.

    If in doubt get a piece out.

    I use opening books, of course I do, I have 100's of the bloody things.
    Yes 100's. I nick a line, play some odd suggestion but it's been on my
    board before I toss it out.

    I put a lot of effort into some of my wee tricky shots.

    If you think me or most other chess players on here are going
    to give away what we have toiled for to a complete stranger in chess forum
    then they must be dafter than what I thought.

    You rarely get the 2300+ posting. their opening rep.

    (last time that happened was Korch over a year ago when he dropped
    on some hot analysis on the Latvian.)

    Buy the book, put some effort in. We/they did.

    You won't catch me playing some screwball move posted on a forum.
    It will go across my board first and then I'll decide if it's worth it.

    and don't call me Geoff - I'm greenpawn 😉
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    10 Aug '10 06:20
    Geoff / Greenpawn,

    I think you took my post wrong.....

    I was simply meaning that I could see you were having a laugh in saying that you had refuted the sciilian but there were a few posters who seemingly took you seriously Hence you were a "bad man" for telling fibs. You have a very good knack of making these little lessons instructive but sometimes a few people seem to miss the joke ?

    Anyway sorry if my post came across wrong...

    J
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    10 Aug '10 17:051 edit
    Hi St40. 🙂

    Not getting at you at all. I never really get at anybody.
    (cept anyone I'm playing at chess - I'll go for them.)

    Just having a general rant.
    I must be allowed a rant every now and then to let off steam.
    It's the only pleasure I get these days.

    I'm sure the boys on here get together to make up post they know
    will annoy me. I do try to ignore them...but eventually...BANG!

    You know I think you are right, some of them did thinik it was for real...
    .....Nah.......surely not.

    And it's always greenpawn (that Geoff is a twat, he does even not post in the forums).
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    10 Aug '10 18:11
    Originally posted by Paul Leggett
    [bOf course, I am wasting my time a bit because in Florida, USA, 1. e4 players almost never play 3. d4 against the Sicilian, but if I am ever pleasantly surprised by an Open Sicilian OTB, I will be ready![/b]
    3. d4 doesn't get played anywhere at the sub expert level it seems now. Too many books "Win with e4!" and such where they play Smith Morra's or Alapins vs everything."
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    10 Aug '10 21:49
    OK greenpawn (!) everything's cool

    Rant away....

    How's Sandy Bells by the way - is old Charlie still there behind the bar ?

    J
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    15 Aug '10 14:34
    Originally posted by toeternitoe
    You mean 'master vs amateur'?They're as instructive now as when they were written.
    No, his opening theory series. 12 parts, well written, but opening theory has progressed rather since then.

    Richard
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    15 Aug '10 14:38
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    I think when the lad said they dated he meant descriptive notation.
    Descriptive notation? Euwe was Dutch and so am I. To us, descriptive notation is a particularly English form of obfustication, similar to Cockney rhyming slang and BBC programme warnings. No, all of Euwe's books I have are untranslated and therefore use algebraic notation.

    Richard
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    15 Aug '10 16:20
    Originally posted by Shallow Blue
    No, his opening theory series. 12 parts, well written, but opening theory has progressed rather since then.

    Richard
    Ouch!

    I wish you had never said that Blue.

    There is now confusion.

    You were talking about Euwe's opening series being out of date
    and not his Chess Master series whcih will never be dated.

    Some of the lads on here are so opening orientated that any chance
    of getting them to study or read something like Chess Master v Chess Amatuer
    (the best of the bunch in my opinion) has just gone.

    In that book although he mentions the 'Theory' of openings all he
    really does is show the spirit of the opening and a handful of traps
    well worth knowing. Which is really all one needs.

    I don't think there is any side line he suggests that has been totally refuted
    and anyway the book is not about openings.

    Infact he shows games where the Amatuer player has played book moves
    gets himself into a reasonable position he cannot handle and gets bounced.

    The 25 games are beautiful easy to understand examples of how a
    stronger player knocks over a weaker player even when the weaker
    player plays what seems are logical moves.

    The book was not translated. Euwe and Meiden wrote this book
    in English Descriptive notation.

    The Dutch version was translated from the English version. 😉

    But alas I fear the damage has been done.
    These guys won't touch anything that is 20 years old.

    The brain washing has been so succesful on the depandacy on openings
    (It's makes GM's money so they keep it going).

    That they will recoil in horror if you drop this in their lap.

    "Where is the bit that will make me win games without any effort?"

    The title of this thread sucked them in like moths to a flame. 🙂

    I like Holland.

    Years ago I was playing chess in a bar in Den Helga and because
    I knew of and could pronounce the name of Euwe correctly I pulled.
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    16 Aug '10 02:55
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Ouch!

    I wish you had never said that Blue.

    There is now confusion.

    You were talking about Euwe's opening series being out of date
    and not his Chess Master series whcih will never be dated.

    Some of the lads on here are so opening orientated that any chance
    of getting them to study or read something like [b]Chess Master v Chess Amatuer

    ...[text shortened]... n Helga and because
    I knew of and could pronounce the name of Euwe correctly I pulled.[/b]
    Is the book available at most book stores? I will definately read it if you recommend it.
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