For people, wanting to claim this match as one of the most boring - compare these 4 games with first 4 games played in Karpov-Korchnoi 1978 match or Kasparov-Anand 1995 match, for example:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=54641
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=55522
Originally posted by Pacifiquethere is a rather excellent story of the Russian press during the 1995 match, who were
For people, wanting to claim this match as one of the most boring - compare these 4 games with first 4 games played in Karpov-Korchnoi 1978 match or Kasparov-Anand 1995 match, for example:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=54641
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=55522
given to asking questions of Kasparov in Russian, when a couple of Indian reporters
had the idea the brilliant idea of asking Anand questions in Tamil and Anand to his
credit understood exactly what was going on and answered back in his native Tamil to
Kasparovs consternation! 🙂
Originally posted by hedonistI speak russian, so:
What are the sites? I'm only watching the one with Timman. Before I watched these things on chessfm but I'm no longer a member of ICC so I'm a bit lost.
1)chesspro.ru
2)chess-news.com
3)crestbook.com
If u don't speak russian, use http://livechess.chessdom.com/site/ - Naydich is very interesting
"Naydich is very interesting."
The are good and here they are.
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Yesterday we finally saw a big game.
Great preparation by Gelfand and afterwards quite an unlucky play
which led Black into big troubles.
Anand did not manage to win his game but been very close...
Today probably we will see again the 1.d4 and I am already very curious,
what did Gelfand team prepared against the Anand's Slav
1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6
and yes, another Slav, and again with a6!
3. Nc3 Nf6
very interesting to see, what Gelfand has in mind now!
4. e3 e6 5. Nf3 a6 6. b3
so again the b3 system... Can Gelfand team could find something in this peaceful variation?!
6... Bb4 7. Bd2 Nbd7 8. Bd3 O-O 9. O-O Bd6
We are still in game 2, commented here and well analyzed in the WCC newsletter.
10. Qc2
and here comes the change on move 10. Instead of 10.Rc1 Gelfand is trying today the 10.Qc2
10... e5 11. cxd5 cxd5
we are in the main line that is considered to be pretty equal.
It seems that Boris is trying to play ultra safe - this is not the way
how You can beat a player like Anand!
12. e4 exd4
both players are of course very well prepared here as we can see from the speed of the moves
13. Nxd5 Nxd5 14. exd5 Nf6 15. h3
so 15.h3 is sort of a little novelty, in the last 10 years this move has been played
only a few times, once tried by Irina Krush in 2005... Just a few days ago
Kaidanov and Hess played the position until here in the US Chess Championship
but they used 15. Rae1
15... Bd7 16. Rad1
well what to say about this position: In case White has something here,
it is super small. It is clear that Gelfand wants to have a game with minimal risk,
but of course this is as well minimal chance of getting better.
16... Re8
Anand seems to know pretty well the line, so we see the fast 16...Re8,
probably at 16...Rc8 White wanted to play 17.Qb2.
Probably at 17.Nxd4 Black is planning to play 17...Rc8 18.Qb1 and Rc5!
gaining back the d pawn. In case White does a "waiting" move, Black wants to play Qb6,
for example at 17.Rfe1 is coming Qb6, same as on 17.Qb2 Qb6 the draw is very close.
So probably 17.Nd4 is the only move that White can do in hope to fight for a full point today
The more I look at 17.Nxd4 the more I like it, at 17...Rc8 18.Qb1 Rc5 19.Nf3! could be quite
dangerous for Black, now at 19...Rxd5 White has the very strong 20.Bg5! and the pawn on h7 is
getting lost.
Maybe 17.Nd4! should be countered by a very cool 17...h6!? I guess we will see very soon
what Anand has in mind.
17. Nxd4 Rc8 18. Qb1 h6
so 17...Rc8 18.Qb1 and only now h6! was played, well, why not 17...h6!?
first is hard to explain, but by the speed of the move it is clear that Anand knows why...
The best chance for White is now to try the 19.Nf3 Nxd5 and try the move like
20.Be4 now, 20.Bh7 Kh8 21.Bxh6 is not working because of Nc3! and the Queen on b1
is hanging, and this might be the reason why Black has to include first 17...Rc8
and only then to play h6. A very funny thing, the d file is totally covered with pieces 🙂
19. Nf5
Gelfand is missing his only chance to continue the fight for any opening
advantage with 21.Nf3 and plays the 21.Nf5, now after 21...Bxf5 22.Bxf5 Rc5
Black is winning the d-pawn back and the position is very close to a draw
19... Bxf5 20. Bxf5 Rc5 21. Rfe1
can White hope here for any advantage because of the bishop pair?!
I don't think so, Black is going to exchange both pairs of rooks,
then the Queens, and probably we will see a handshake.
Now 21...Rxd5 is looking very solid.
Sigeman and Co has just started, follow it here
21... Rxd5
hard to give White an advice now... to avoid the exchange of rooks
is almost impossible. Maybe the best move now could be 22.Bc3,
but also after a simple 22...Be5 the position is close to a draw
22. Bc3
a funny thing, yesterday at the press conference, Gelfand was asked why he gets up
so many time and goes away: "Because behind the stages there are such great cookies"
was his answer 🙂 maybe this is also the reason of Anand's blitz play today 🙂!?
Black has 2 choices now: to play the immediate 22...Be5 or to play
22...Rxe1 23.Rxe1 and Bc5 with a future Bd4 or a pressure on the f2 pawn.
Both seem to lead to a very equal position.
22... Rxe1+
Anand is going for 22...Rxe1 23.Rxe1 ( of course 23.Bxe1?? is looking bad due to the Bh2 check)
23...Bc5. Now after 24.Bxf6 gxf6 White has zero chances to be better, and in case of no 24.Bxf6
Black is going to play 24...Bd4, I think it is a good moment to offer a draw
23. Rxe1 Bc5 24. Qc2
so Gelfand is going for 24.Qc2, but now at Bd4 it seems like White is obliged
to exchange the bishop which leaves White with not even practical chances.
In case of 24.Qc2 Bd4 25.Bb4 Black has a very strong Qb6!
24... Bd4
and we see again the strongest move by Black was played, 24...Bd4!
Now White has no other choice but the bishop exchange.
After this Black will play the very safe g6 and Kg7
25. Bxd4 Rxd4 26. Qc8 g6 27. Bg4 h5 28. Qxd8+ Rxd8
So more pieces were exchanged, one step closer to draw.
Now at 29.Bf3 b6! is strong, followed by Rd6 and a5
29. Bf3
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29... b6
and we are in the endgame, it would be great for White to be in time for b4-a4-a5
after which White would have some practical chances, but after 30.b4 Black will
play the immediate Rd4!
30. Rc1 Rd6 31. Kf1
the game goes on, but without much fighting spirit in it,
now Black can play the simple 31...a5 then bring the kind to the center
by playing Kf8-e7-e6
31... a5 32. Ke2
what to do now for Black, to play 32...Kf8 or maybe to try a bit more active 32...Nd5
with the idea Nf4-Ne6-Nc5
32... Nd5 33. g3
Boris Gelfand continues the fight and playing 33.g3.
Next move of White is probably a3 and the Rc3.
Black could react now with the simple Kg7-Kf6 and Ne7 with a very safe position.
I don't see any objective chances for White
33... Ne7
33...Ne7 immediately, well why not. At 34.Rc7 is coming Nf5.
Now 34.Rd1 Rxd1 35.kxd1 Kg7 36.Kd2 Kf6 37.Kd3 Ke6 38.Kc3 Kd6 39.Kb5 Kc7
and Black is just in time
34. Be4 34.Be4 Kg7 ½ - ½
and now 35.f4 doesnt bring much as well. Black have the simple
35...Kf6 36.g4 hxg4 37.hxg4 and g5!
And a draw was agreed, keeping the score equal in the match.
Another battle in Grunfeld is ahead of us.
Thank you for following with me GM Arkadij Naiditsch and see you in next round
for more live commentary!
Originally posted by robbie carrobieand holds a slightly worse ending....so just like the Colle then; incredibly ambitious!
My man, what does Anand play with black, that is correct the Semi Slav, what is the
semi Slav? that is correct, Colle reversed! World champion plays it, I rest my case!
The C word, LOL!
Originally posted by Pacifiquethose look also very boring...and even those long matches Kasparov-Karpov look boring also...
For people, wanting to claim this match as one of the most boring - compare these 4 games with first 4 games played in Karpov-Korchnoi 1978 match or Kasparov-Anand 1995 match, for example:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=54641
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?tid=55522
yeah, maybe the only difference is that back then we did not have so much internet to watch live every game and every move with commentary, so only a handful of spectators and most people were only finding out the result in the end of the day or so...
And you care less when when you find out in 3 minutes in the evening that it was a uneventful draw, compared to the fact that now you wait for the game, watch it live, and if you find it uninteresting you feel you waist time...and you can complain online, and your complains are more or less heard...
Originally posted by vipiuYeah right. No doubt Karpov-Korchnoi 1978 match was the most boring WC match in chess history. 😀
those look also very boring...and even those long matches Kasparov-Karpov look boring also...
yeah, maybe the only difference is that back then we did not have so much internet to watch live every game and every move with commentary, so only a handful of spectators and most people were only finding out the result in the end of the day or so...
And you care l ...[text shortened]... feel you waist time...and you can complain online, and your complains are more or less heard...
The Kv K matches had a first to win 6 game finishing line.
A loss or two was no so drastic. The leading player could sit on draws
and see the match out. They had to win 6 games.
This current format, obviously designed to try and interest and attract the media
(that is were the money is....follow the money) has a start date and a close date.
Unlike the first to 6 series which could in theory go on forever.
( K v K 1985-86 and Alekhine - Capablanca 1927).
You could not get any TV company who are governed by tight schedules
interested in that deal.
So we have a form of riskless chess where a player will push but keep the
draw very much in his back pocket. This style is very frequent in GM tournaments.
The players who burn their bridges, Nak and Carlsen are an exception.
Who is going to be the first to crack and play a no turning back now move?
What this match needs is an 'incident'. Yoghurt, weak bladder.....etc.
Something that the media will leap on.
Originally posted by greenpawn34what about that solution which I was suggesting: make the match slightly longer(more games) but in case of equality one of the players gets the title. In this way there will always be one player that must try hard for win.
The Kv K matches had a first to win 6 game finishing line.
A loss or two was no so drastic. The leading player could sit on draws
and see the match out. They had to win 6 games.
This current format, obviously designed to try and interest and attract the media
(that is were the money is....follow the money) has a start date and a close date.
Unli ...[text shortened]... needs is an 'incident'. Yoghurt, weak bladder.....etc.
Something that the media will leap on.
Quote from English GM Matthew Turner: "It takes some skill to make a Sveshnikov this boring".
I must admit, the game had one interesting move: 16. ... Bxd5 looked like a Patzer's move. As Greenpawn says that was the TN, it must have been part of Gelfand's pre-match preparation.