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Originally posted by philidor position

Banned !

Note To Other Players:

If you create multiple accounts, don't link them both to the same FICS username. It's how I caught him.

What did he do wrong?
I thought it was Ok to make multiple accounts, so long as you only use one of them?

Originally posted by clandarkfire
What did he do wrong?
I thought it was Ok to make multiple accounts, so long as you only use one of them?

He must not have had permission or must have been properly banned the first time.

Originally posted by clandarkfire
What did he do wrong?
I thought it was Ok to make multiple accounts, so long as you only use one of them?

From The TOS

Line 3

In consideration of your use of the Service, you represent that you are of legal age to form a binding contract and are not a person barred from receiving services under the laws of the United States or other applicable jurisdiction. You also agree to :

(a) You will not create more than one account.

Originally posted by clandarkfire
What did he do wrong?
I thought it was Ok to make multiple accounts, so long as you only use one of them?

That's true. You can create a new account as long as you never use your old account again. However, if a user is banned then he cannot come back at all. What would be the point of banning someone if you just let them come back with a new account? If I remember correctly, and I might be wrong about this, I believe Diskamyl was banned for things he either posted in the forums or in a pm to another member.

Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
From The TOS

Line 3

In consideration of your use of the Service, you represent that you are of legal age to form a binding contract and are not a person barred from receiving services under the laws of the United States or other applicable jurisdiction. You also agree to :

(a) You will not create more than one account.

Yeah and I heard yesterday that I'm DanVM

I knew it!

Originally posted by Fat Lady
What's this all about then? User 458573

Is he saying "I use everything available..." or "Feel free to use everything available against me"?

Remembering that the guy in question does not speak English as his first language, it looks like he is saying "You may use any means to try to defeat me". Regardless of the posturing and willy waving on chess.com, that says nothing about what he uses when playing chess, just that he doesn't mind what aids you employ against him.

Atlantischess has now been banned for cheating on chess.com:
http://www.chess.com/echess/profile/atlantischess

Wouldn't it would be great if the online chess sites adopted a "banned from one, banned from all" scheme!
(e.g. see http://www.luton.gov.uk/0xc0a80123%200x0d440020)

Originally posted by Fat Lady
Atlantischess has now been banned for cheating on chess.com:
http://www.chess.com/echess/profile/atlantischess

Wouldn't it would be great if the online chess sites adopted a "banned from one, banned from all" scheme!
(e.g. see http://www.luton.gov.uk/0xc0a80123%200x0d440020)

I suppose that would have to depend on why they were banned. Imagine if you were banned from every pub in town for saying "bum" in the posh winebar.

To me, it looks as if chess.com responded to the baying of the mob rather than any evidence that had been presented. I get the distinct impression that all chess sites that disallow engine assistance are in the habit of dragging their feet over banning cheats, or even just not acting at all! However, I dislike the idea that a ban should be based solely on how many pitchfork waving peasants are currently outside the castle gates. That kind of policy could easily lead to people being banned for no real reason.

Originally posted by Diophantus
I suppose that would have to depend on why they were banned. Imagine if you were banned from every pub in town for saying "bum" in the posh winebar.

To me, it looks as if chess.com responded to the baying of the mob rather than any evidence that had been presented. I get the distinct impression that all chess sites that disallow engine assistance are i ...[text shortened]... castle gates. That kind of policy could easily lead to people being banned for no real reason.

Did you bother to look at this at all?

http://www07.chess.uo.zerolag.com/forum/view/game-analysis/top-cc-according-to-rybka-3

Yeah that was the pitch fork crowd

Originally posted by paulbuchmanfromfics
Did you bother to look at this at all?

http://www07.chess.uo.zerolag.com/forum/view/game-analysis/top-cc-according-to-rybka-3

Look at it? I was in it! Syrtis is my handle over there since Diophantus already got nicked by someone else.

Originally posted by heinzkat
Yeah that was the pitch fork crowd

I wonder how often there is sufficient evidence to ban a player for engine use but a site has simply not acted on it. It seems to me this often happens in high profile bannings where the player is known to be titled or has been at or near the top of the rankings on the site for a while. I have noticed quite often a site will exhibit apparently bad timing, waiting to ban someone who is clearly a cheat until the number of vocal pitchfork wavers grows to some critical mass. This seems to have happened with Atlantischess and Ouachita on chess.com, and also DanVM here. I am not sure if this deliberate policy (hope the problem goes away) or just coincidence. Either way, the more often this happens the more likely it is that people will think that shouting "CHEAT" loudly will result in their target being banned. I am also puzzled as to why chess.com allowed the Atlantischess thread to carry on until he had been banned considering that such discussions are clearly against chess.com forum rules.

NB Just to forestall any (deliberate) misunderstanding, I am not saying anyone is or is not a cheat, I am not saying any particular method of cheat detection is or is not accurate and I am definitely not saying that any site or individual ignores cheating!

I love how all the new members (joining within a month or less) always try to cause dissension in the ranks.

They always know exactly how to post immediately too. It makes you wonder.