Originally posted by no1marauderI've got a FIDE grade, 2060 or something like that.
To answer the original question, there is a formula here to convert national ratings to BCF: http://www.englishchess.org.uk/grading/2002/how_it_works/conversion.htm
A 1500 USCF would convert to a 113 BCF.
I don't think it's meaningful to try to convert ratings lower than Expert to FIDE; how many people rated in a lower grade play in FIDE tournaments? I didn't even know you could!
(hey I'll have to drop that on my profile) 😏
Scotland has a FIDE rated national league.
Civil Serviice got promoted to the FIDi rated 1st Division and
asked me to play on board 1 to try and keep them up.
I don't know how it works - I think you get a provo FIDE grade of
2000 and it's taken from there.
I bumped into some good players and actually held my own
winning a few, drawing a few simply by tactics.
I found my lack of up to date book knowledge was a bonus.
Neither of us knew what we were looking after 7 moves.
Civil Service stayed up.
I believe any tournament can become FIDE rated but you have to
pay the FIDE fees.
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Originally posted by Dragon FireLike I said, you can't read.
You got it spot on. 😀
ECF100 = ELO1750 = USCF1800.
As I said in the first place this makes USCF1500 about ECF80.
USCF class C is not equivilent to ECF class C more like ECF class E
[b]Q.E.D.[/b]
D} Minor/ BCF 75-100/ ELO 1625-1750/ Class D or C category 4
/
{C} Intermediate/ BCF 100-125/ ELO 1750-1875/ Class C or B/
category 3
/
Study that carefully. A BCF 100 = ELO 1750 = the middle of USCF Class C or 1500 according to Exeter.
The formula on the other site, yields USCF 1500 = ECF 113. Obviously, this is not an exact science but the two examples I found are in the ballpark as well. There simply is no support for your claim that an average USCF player is only as good as a ECF player in the lowest 25% and that is completely unrealistic.
A BCF 125 = ELO 1875 = the middle of a USCF B or 1700.
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Originally posted by JieThat "argument" equates to a claim that a bit above average rated adult USCF tournament player is about as good as someone in the lowest 1% of the ECF. Absurd.
The gist of it is that no1marauder would be around 1200 Elo (FIDE) by these calculations and he has to tailor his argument to support his position.
Originally posted by no1marauderIt simply means you should do less talking here and talk more on the OTB chess board. It would also help to read a bit more so that one gives the impression of being "knowledgeable".
That "argument" equates to a claim that a bit above average rated adult USCF tournament player is about as good as someone in the lowest 1% of the ECF. Absurd.
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Originally posted by no1marauderLet's look at Paul Haddock. His present ECF grade is 116 (his ECF grade last year was 102). http://grading.bcfservices.org.uk/getref.php?ref=101814A
I found two players in the Amateur section here: http://www.gibraltarchesscongress.com/gib2009/publicity_eng/playersamateur.html
Paul Smith has a 125 ECF and 1700 USCF
Paul Haddock has a 102 ECF and 1460 USCF
They're in the ballpark though their USCF's are a little higher than expected. Neither seems to have played much in the USCF (Haddock played in one tournament apparently).
Last June, he played in the National Open at Las Vegas in the U1600 (Class C). He scored 2.5 out of 6 beating two players rated 1421 and 1472, drawing against a 1538 and losing against a 1460, 1523 and 1532. That gave him a rating of 1428. You may go to http://main.uschess.org/component/option,com_wrapper/Itemid,181/ type in "Haddock, Paul" and verify this.
True, it's only one player and one tournament but that's one more player and one more tournament than DF has produced to support his claim that an ECF 115 would "slaughter" USCF 1500s.
Originally posted by no1marauderNot really. It all depends on who the grades are dished out to. ECF grades tend only to be obtained by people already well versed on competitive chess and very few school children have grades. So by the time you get an ECF grade for the 1st time you are almost certainly well above average. In our club less than 50% of the players actually have grades and those players graded 80-90 can generally beat them so a grade of 80-90 is already in the top 2/3 of our club. Grades above ECF120 would qualify a player to play in our A team in the top league which represents only about 10% of players and there is some seriously strong opposition.
That "argument" equates to a claim that a bit above average rated adult USCF tournament player is about as good as someone in the lowest 1% of the ECF. Absurd.
All evidence points to USCF grades being inflated not ECF grades and I have been down this route with you before.
Find me 3 players (whom we can be confident are genuine non engine users) graded USCF 1400-1600 and we can arrange a round robin against 3 ECF players graded ECF120 - 140 and lets see who wins 6-0
Originally posted by Dragon Firethat could be a fun idea regardless of this pissing contest. uscf vs ecf. shouldn't be very hard to get even more players than 3 each?
Find me 3 players (whom we can be confident are genuine non engine users) graded USCF 1400-1600 and we can arrange a round robin against 3 ECF players graded ECF120 - 140 and lets see who wins 6-0
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Originally posted by Dragon FireNo scholastic i.e. children's grades were included in the figures I gave. Any adult who plays in a USCF tournament is almost certainly an above average player.
Not really. It all depends on who the grades are dished out to. ECF grades tend only to be obtained by people already well versed on competitive chess and very few school children have grades. So by the time you get an ECF grade for the 1st time you are almost certainly well above average. In our club less than 50% of the players actually have grades and ...[text shortened]... we can arrange a round robin against 3 ECF players graded ECF120 - 140 and lets see who wins 6-0
You are again, playing Korch, making unverifiable claims and ignoring the actual evidence.
How come Paul Haddock didn't go 6-0 at the National Open?
How come the Exeter Chess Club article doesn't support your claims?
How come the British Chess Federation in their conversion formula to foreign national ratings doesn't agree with your claims?
I believe this equation
ECF 100 ~ FIDE 1750 ~ USCF 1800
should do the trick more or less. What comes out of it when USCF 1800 is replaced by USCF 1500 I leave to you. The ECF and FIDE numbers should be considerably lower too.
Not sure why no1marauder is talking the nameless "average USCF 1500 player" into having a rating around 1800 FIDE.
Of course there may be USCF 1500 players who actually have a 1800 FIDE rating. But the "average USCF 1500 player" doesn't have the strength of a player with a 1500 FIDE rating... which doesn't say the average 1500 FIDE rated player is all that strong... 😉
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Originally posted by heinzkatThat equation is based on Dragon Fire's misreading of the Exeter Chess Club's article as already pointed out. Neither the 1) Rating distribution charts; 2) Exeter Chess Club article; 3) BCF conversion charts or 4) actual playing evidence of Paul Haddock support it.
I believe this equation
ECF 100 ~ FIDE 1750 ~ USCF 1800
should do the trick more or less. What comes out of it when USCF 1800 is replaced by USCF 1500 I leave to you. The ECF and FIDE numbers should be considerably lower too.
Not sure why no1marauder is talking the nameless "average USCF 1500 player" into having a rating around 1800 FIDE.
DE rating... which doesn't say the average 1500 FIDE rated player is all that strong... 😉
I'm not talking about FIDE ratings; I doubt hardly any USCF 1500's have FIDE ratings. I'm comparing USCF ratings to ECF ratings (that's what the thread is supposed to be about).
Originally posted by no1marauder... but one may compare a USCF-1500's playing strength to a FIDE playing strength, right.
I'm not talking about FIDE ratings; I doubt hardly any USCF 1500's have FIDE ratings. I'm comparing USCF ratings to ECF ratings (that's what the thread is supposed to be about).
IF a USCF 1500 rating would correspond to a 113 ECF rating, THEN - as 113 ECF rated players have an 1800 FIDE playing strength - a USCF 1500 rated player would have an 1800 FIDE strength.
That is some mathematics to ponder over. 🙂
Originally posted by heinzkatWhat is the source of your claim that an ECF 113 equates to a FIDE 1800?
... but one may compare a USCF-1500's playing strength to a FIDE playing strength, right.
IF a USCF 1500 rating would correspond to a 113 ECF rating, THEN - as 113 ECF rated players have an 1800 FIDE playing strength - a USCF 1500 rated player would have an 1800 FIDE strength.
That is some mathematics to ponder over. 🙂