Originally posted by AThousandYoungi'm not really in a position to say...but you lost...surely that proves that it was unsound?!?! 😕
Check out Game 1137093. Was my B sac sound? Any analysis would be appreciated.
fred
Originally posted by AThousandYoungIntuitively, this sac looks wrong. White gets no appreciable lead in development or attacking chances from it. He's just down a piece for two pawns.
Check out Game 1137093. Was my B sac sound? Any analysis would be appreciated.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungDefo not sound. you needed to be able to follow it up with some aggressive moves.
Check out Game 1137093. Was my B sac sound? Any analysis would be appreciated.
Instead EB was able to chase away your queen, and counterattack.
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Freddie2004 - i'm not really in a position to say...but you lost...surely that proves that it was unsound?!?! 😕
Not necessarily. My opponent is a far, far better player than I, and he might have been able to neutralize the possibilities of the sac better than I could exploit them. I'm not saying that's what happened in this case, but it could have been. There are a lot of legitimate sacrifices that sometimes end up in lost games for the saccer.
Amaurote -
Huh?! You mean, pointless and a guaranteed loss? 🙂
BigDogg - Intuitively, this sac looks wrong. White gets no appreciable lead in development or attacking chances from it. He's just down a piece for two pawns.
Well, I break up his Pawn structure in the center, open lines, force his King back onto the back rank which disconnects his Rooks (this effectively undevelops his King and prevents later castling)...then he undevelops his Bishop, which frees the King but keeps one of his Rooks locked away...then I get a third Pawn...it all seemed so solid to me until I got mated 🙁.
Everyone -
What should I look for so as to be able to tell if a sac is worth doing or not? Dogg wrote
White gets no appreciable lead in development or attacking chances from it.
Rag wrote
you needed to be able to follow it up with some aggressive moves...Instead EB was able to chase away your queen, and counterattack.
Anything else I should keep in mind?
Originally posted by AThousandYoungYou should take this with a grain of salt, since I'm not one of the stronger players around, but I prefer to try a sacrifice while I still have a lot of (hopefully well developed) material around to follow through with the attack. One problem I saw with the sac in your game is that afterwards you were left with a single minor piece in an unthreatening spot to back up your queen and rooks.
[b]Freddie2004 - i'm not really in a position to say...but you lost...surely that proves that it was unsound?!?! 😕
Not necessarily. My opponent is a far, far better player than I, and he might have been able to neutralize the possibilities of the sac better than I could exploit them. I'm not saying that's what happened in this cas ...[text shortened]... able to chase away your queen, and counterattack.[/b]
Anything else I should keep in mind?
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungIt wasn't. If you would have some pieces to continue the attack, it might have been succesful, but you should only try this sort of sacrifices when you know/think your attack will be succesful (win the quality back).
Check out Game 1137093. Was my B sac sound? Any analysis would be appreciated.
'There are two types of sacrifices: correct ones and mine.' -- Tal
'It's always better to sacrifice your opponent's men.' -- Tartakover
"A good sacrifice is one that is not necessarily sound but leaves your opponent dazed and confused" Nigel Short
'On the chess-board lies and hypocrisy do not survive long.' -- Em. Lasker