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Originally posted by TyrannosauruschexHe would not be able to win anything only with intelligence without his wrestling skills.
So are you saying that Kurt Angle didnt win a gold medal using the three I's - Intensity, Integrity and Intelligence? He used to always say on the Wrestling how those three could be applied to any situation in life.
Originally posted by Iron MonkeyThe core chess skills are evaluation, calculation and the desire to work hard to improve.
I take it that position evaluation would be one, and would involve being able to calculate the relative values of various features of the position. eg. 'if i take that pawn with my bishop and he recaptures with the knight', he'll have isolated doubled pawns along the c-file, but i'll lose the advantage of the two bishops - is it worth it in this particul ...[text shortened]... suppose.
And to spot tactical possibilites both for and against you.
Any thoughts?
Originally posted by chessisvanityAgreed. Show me a strong chess player and I will show you a person with a misspent childhood.
I agree.
I constantly tell people that Chess ability doesn't have anything to do with Intelligence.
If Chess were related to Intelligence....Kasparov would be the smartest man alive?....no....I'm waaaaaay smarter than Kraparov.
Originally posted by KorchAlthough it is widely acknowledged that chess is the best example of an intellectual activity among games, evidence showing the association between any kind of intellectual ability and chess skill has been remarkably sparse. One of the reasons is that most of the studies
Nop - it is not just a few freak examples. According to my experience strong chess players are no more intelligent than other people.
investigated only one factor (e.g., intelligence), neglecting other factors relevant for the acquisition of chess skill (e.g., amount of practice, years of experience). The present study investigated the chess skill of 57 young chess players using measures of intelligence (WISC
III), practice, and experience. Although practice had the most influence on chess skill, intelligence explained some variance even after the inclusion of practice. When an elite subsample of 23 children was tested, it turned out that intelligence was not a significant factor in chess skill, and that, if anything, it tended to correlate negatively with chess skill. This unexpected result is explained by a negative correlation between intelligence and practice in the elite subsample. The study demonstrates the dangers of focusing on a single factor in complex real-world situations where a number of closely interconnected factors operate.
http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2007/07/does-chess-need-intelligence.html
Originally posted by Tyrannosauruschex"Universal affirmatives can only be partially converted: all of Alma Cogan is dead, but only some of the class of dead people are Alma Cogan."
You are a strong player, and you have shown yourself to be quite intelligent.
Therefore, all strong players are quite intelligent.
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Originally posted by chessisvanityAs much as chess players would like to think the opposite after blundering a nice position, it is indisputable that there is a modest link between intelligence and extremely strong ability. Even by IQ tests (an imperfect approximation of intelligence), grandmasters tend to perform in the top 10%. The truth is that almost any cerebral activity in which one can perform in the top 1% is linked to intelligence. Of course there are exceptions, and hard work is probably more important up to a pretty high level, but to claim that intelligence has no bearing is not realistic.
I agree.
I constantly tell people that Chess ability doesn't have anything to do with Intelligence.
If Chess were related to Intelligence....Kasparov would be the smartest man alive?....no....I'm waaaaaay smarter than Kraparov.
Originally posted by KorchFirst of all, intelligence is not a "skill", so yes it wont help you in chess if you don't have that much intelligence in the first place.
Right you are.
I dont want to say that intelligence wont help you in chess, but its definitely not the most important skill for chess player.
Second, it is true that a very weak chess player could be a very intelligent person , but that is because they are too lazy to play the game well, or they DON'T like the game or just don't play much.
A less intelligent person can love the game and be very dedicated to it and therefore be quite a strong player.
Additionally, chess skills correlate to a very specific type of intelligence
so a very artistic person (intelligent in that respect can be bad in chess)
However, you CANNOT find a top level GM chess player who is not very intelligent.
Thus do you have to be a genius to be a World Champ? - yeah pretty much. You have to possess an abundance in a specific type of intelligence as well as be dedicated, study etc.
And whether people like it or not there is also a genetic component to intelligence. But that is another story!
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Originally posted by zin23First of all, intelligence is not a "skill", so yes it wont help you in chess if you don't have that much intelligence in the first place.
First of all, intelligence is not a "skill", so yes it wont help you in chess if you don't have that much intelligence in the first place.
Second, it is true that a very weak chess player could be a very intelligent person , but that is because they are too lazy to play the game well, or they DON'T like the game or just don't play much.
A less intelligen ...[text shortened]... ke it or not there is also a genetic component to intelligence. But that is another story!
Such formal nit-picking has nothing common with subject of the discussion.
Second, it is true that a very weak chess player could be a very intelligent person , but that is because they are too lazy to play the game well, or they DON'T like the game or just don't play much.
Assumption which should be argued.
A less intelligent person can love the game and be very dedicated to it and therefore be quite a strong player.
Yes - because he has more talanted than some more intelligent persons. Talent and intelligence are not the same.
Additionally, chess skills correlate to a very specific type of intelligence
so a very artistic person (intelligent in that respect can be bad in chess)
And this "very specific type of intelligence" is not "intelligence" as we understand it in everyday speech.
However, you CANNOT find a top level GM chess player who is not very intelligent.
I can.
For example Shirov is not too intelligent person. I have seen him few times and also I have read his posts in forum of kasparovchess.com (its in Russian) in which he (and also some other GMs posting in that forum) showins total lack of intelligence. Also in his interwievs and actions he have showed himself enough. The best known example - before match Kasparov -Kramnik, 2000 he did claim that Kramnik will deliberately spoil that match. After that match ended Shirov refused to excuse for such defamation.
Also Topalov is not too intelligent judging by his interwievs.
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