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  1. 02 Feb '14 16:54 / 1 edit
    Hello.

    What are the differences between playing 1. d4 and 1. Nf3 ?
    What are the openings that 1. Nf3 permits White to avoid compare to 1. d4 ?
    And what openings does 1. d4 avoids compare to 1. Nf3 ?
    And if I prefer slow, closed, quiet and positional games, should I switch from 1. d4 to 1. Nf3 ?

    Thanks in advance for your answers.
  2. 02 Feb '14 20:11
    Marc Benford posting on the forums yet again!
  3. 02 Feb '14 20:21
    Thank you Captain Obvious.
  4. Standard member RBHILL
    Acts 13:48
    02 Feb '14 22:00
    1. d4 W 30.5 % D 50.5 % B 19 %

    1. Nf3 W 27.9 % D 53.5 % B 18.6 %
  5. 02 Feb '14 22:17
    Originally posted by Marc Benford
    Hello.

    What are the differences between playing 1. d4 and 1. Nf3 ?
    What are the openings that 1. Nf3 permits White to avoid compare to 1. d4 ?
    And what openings does 1. d4 avoids compare to 1. Nf3 ?
    And if I prefer slow, closed, quiet and positional games, should I switch from 1. d4 to 1. Nf3 ?

    Thanks in advance for your answers.
    1.Nf3 prevents the albin counter gambit and the budapest gambit. It also blocks the f-pawn so some variations become unavailable such as the saemisch variation of the KID. It also allows black to play 1..c5 which leads to a type of position that you wont find from 1.d4.

    I prefer 1.d4
  6. Subscriber PureRWandB
    CCC Club Leader
    03 Feb '14 05:01
    Moving a pawn vs moving a Knight?
  7. 03 Feb '14 08:31
    Originally posted by PureRWandB
    Moving a pawn vs moving a Knight?
    **Perhaps I might be a little 'unaccurate', but**
    From what I know I would say this:

    A.'''''''''''1.Nf3'''''''''''
    Common if you sometimes play
    i)******1.Nf3 ... 2.g3 ... 3.Bg2******
    and , then white can play on move four things like 4.d3 ; [b]4.d4
    transposing to a catalan
    or similar ; 4.c4 keeping options open for where to put his
    e-pawn his b-pawn , you could say that this is 'the english'. Perhaps white plays something like 'botvinnik variation of english' [botvinnik setup]. Botvinnik setup is basically that white plays a classical kings indian setup but with d-pawn on d3 instead of on d4. ; 4. other moves for white or

    ii)******'kings indian attack'****** or

    iii)******'reti like openinges'*******
    { such as the lines, 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g3 d5 3.b4 , 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g4 }

    B.'''''''''''1.d4'''''''''''
    White has options to play [what you could call] sharper against black. The QGA. 1.d4 d5 2.c4 dxc4 3.e4.
    Moving Nc3 out before Nf3. But! Now white must be prepared against 'Nimzo indian' which some choose to avoid.

    If 1.Nf3 ---- this [almost] mean that ---- white has QID in his repetoire but not Nimzo (some simplification here) ----- and ----- white choose to meet slav with Nf3 lines ------ and ----- white choose to play a classical set up with Nf3 against QGA. ------ and ----- if black want to play other lines like 1.Nf3 c6 .... or .... 1.Nf3 e6 ..... or ..... 1.Nf3 d6 ----- then ---- white has restricted his [what you could call sharper] alternatives. The ones where white plays f3 early comes to mind.

    But I am an amature player. By that I mean. I could be a little inaccurate in the details here. // the viking.
  8. Subscriber C J Horse
    A stable personality
    03 Feb '14 12:10
    Originally posted by Sebastian Yap
    Marc Benford posting on the forums yet again!
    Sebastian Yap making another pretty pointless post!

    You really ought to leave him alone. He raises things which are of interest, particularly to us people with ratings well below yours. It's not compulsory to make any moves here - he's only averaging just over one move fewer a day than yourself, anyway.
  9. Subscriber moonbus
    Uber-Nerd
    03 Feb '14 12:58
    Maybe he plays his games at some other venue and uses this forum for general / theoretical questions. No harm in that.
  10. 03 Feb '14 13:00 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Marc Benford
    Hello.

    What are the differences between playing 1. d4 and 1. Nf3 ?
    What are the openings that 1. Nf3 permits White to avoid compare to 1. d4 ?
    And what openings does 1. d4 avoids compare to 1. Nf3 ?
    And if I prefer slow, closed, quiet and positional games, should I switch from 1. d4 to 1. Nf3 ?

    Thanks in advance for your answers.
    after 1.Nf3 and d5 you can play the illustrious Tennison gambit with the unexpected 2.e4! and watch the whites in your opponents eyes reach space saucer proportions. after d4 and d5 you need to be careful about falling asleep.
  11. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    03 Feb '14 13:04
    One advantage to 1.Nf3 that i use is if people like playing KID/Modern and start with 1..g3 or 1..d7 you can transpose into a Pirc by playing 2.e4. Also i find 1.Nf3 to be quite flexible when playing Sicillian players. 1.Nf3 ..c5 2.c4 can pull a Sicillian player into a symmetrical English opening or Queens Gambit which they perhaps are not as familiar with.
  12. Subscriber Ragwort
    Ex Duris Gloria
    03 Feb '14 21:38
    As it now the Chinese year of the horse you are obliged to start a number of games with 1. Nf3 (or 1. Nc3)

    Other moves will have to wait until next January - don't worry it's only once every fourteen years!
  13. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    03 Feb '14 23:21
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    after 1.Nf3 and d5 you can play the illustrious Tennison gambit with the unexpected 2.e4! and watch the whites in your opponents eyes reach space saucer proportions. after d4 and d5 you need to be careful about falling asleep.
    Thanks Robbie.
    Researched Tennison Gambit (for 5 mins) then played this!!
    Unfortunately I lost but it was exciting. (Blitz of course)



    I resigned.
    Anyone see any tricks for white from move 10 onwards??
  14. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    04 Feb '14 11:48
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Thanks Robbie.
    Researched Tennison Gambit (for 5 mins) then played this!!
    Unfortunately I lost but it was exciting. (Blitz of course)

    [pgn]
    1.Nf3 d5

    2.e4 dxe4

    3.Ng5 Qd5

    4.d3 {protecting the knight and developing} exd3

    5.Nc3 Qe5+

    6.Be3 dxc2

    7.Qd5 Qf6 {black cannot exchange queens because of the subsequent NxQ followed by Nxc7+}

    8 ...[text shortened]... t least a bishop}
    [/pgn]

    I resigned.
    Anyone see any tricks for white from move 10 onwards??
    Why did you resign? I nothing else you could play f4 in the final position. You would lose the exchange after ..Ne2+ but so what, you are only giving back the Rook advantage you had already won. Hell, you could even play Bf6 instead which covers h8, black would have to be super accurate to stop the pawn from Queening. I hardly ever resign in blitz unless it is a clear loss, black only has one piece attacking in this game. He can't mate you with a knight..
  15. 04 Feb '14 13:16 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Thanks Robbie.
    Researched Tennison Gambit (for 5 mins) then played this!!
    Unfortunately I lost but it was exciting. (Blitz of course)

    [pgn]
    1.Nf3 d5

    2.e4 dxe4

    3.Ng5 Qd5

    4.d3 {protecting the knight and developing} exd3

    5.Nc3 Qe5+

    6.Be3 dxc2

    7.Qd5 Qf6 {black cannot exchange queens because of the subsequent NxQ followed by Nxc7+}

    8 ...[text shortened]... t least a bishop}
    [/pgn]

    I resigned.
    Anyone see any tricks for white from move 10 onwards??
    Hi Wolfie I have a book on it I ordered from America, written by John Lutes, you gave the best continuation 4.d3! ed 5.Nc3 Qe5 6.Be3 cd 7.Qd5! Qf6 and now Bd3 gives advantage for white according to. Jacobetz, Somlai and Varnusz: Skandinavisch 1992 p.9