Where did he go....?

Originally posted by woodypusher
Oops...sorry. I get them confused.

Did you notice the similarity of Ivanov to Lance Armstrong? Years of cheating along with vehement denials.

So in this tournie, do the losers get to zero out the losses? How do they compensate those players who lost to a engine using cheater?

Seems like at the very least it would throw off the scoring.

It would be of interest to know whether anyone has succeeded in building an engine small enough to fit into a shoe with a user interface which can manipulated with the toes. It might be re-programmed for double-arm- amputees to do something such people need/want to do. Or maybe there is a radio transmitter in the shoe and the engine is somewhere within range. I think I'll start patent proceedings on the name "iShoe"; functional details to be announced...

Originally posted by moonbus
It would be of interest to know whether anyone has succeeded in building an engine small enough to fit into a shoe with a user interface which can manipulated with the toes. It might be re-programmed for double-arm- amputees to do something such people need/want to do. Or maybe there is a radio transmitter in the shoe and the engine is somewhere within range ...[text shortened]... I think I'll start patent proceedings on the name "iShoe"; functional details to be announced...

You can't patent things you have no idea about how they work.
You can register iShoe(R) as trademark however.

I predict from next decade it will be three kinds of chess

- nude chess (for handsome people, free-foot problem guys and girls that visit gym 3-4 times a week)

- old school chess (tweed-suits, fat bellies, yellow teeth, with pipes and cigarettes, smelly socks under heavy shoes)

- computer torunaments (like tournaments in kites or i radio-controlled helicopters) - competitors would bring their toasters, blanders and chess engines and look them at the tables

If someone asks what would stop old-fashioned players to use engine (for example in their heavy shoes), the answer is clear.

Originally posted by Ponderable
You can't patent things you have no idea about how they work.
You can register iShoe(R) as trademark however.

Oh, the possibilities are endless: iBoot®, iSocks®, iFlipflops®, iTrousers®, iPith-helmets®, iCufflinks®, iPiercings® … there is hardly any limit to nano-engineered market niches.

Originally posted by moonbus
Oh, the possibilities are endless: iBoot®, iSocks®, iFlipflops®, iTrousers®, iPith-helmets®, iCufflinks®, iPiercings® … there is hardly any limit to nano-engineered market niches.

iSee.

Official statement on Borislav from the Spanish organisers:
http://www.chess.com/news/official-statement-on-the-ivanov-story-1152

Point 12 kinda wraps it up.....checkmate.. Or is that chestmate?

Sadly the suggestion of nude chess will not work as body cavities various will still be available to mini micro implants which will not necessarily be discovered during pre game MRI scanning. Furthermore intrusions in to these cavities may be considered a breach of privacy and an affront to players dignity and human rights. Receiving images via eyeglasses is already a reality but is anyone suggesting that all partially sighted players should have their eyeglasses removed? Is this not discriminating against disabled people? Are vertically challenged players to have their built up shoes removed and disassembled during play simply because they are shorter than most other people? Subjecting all players to a lie detector test immediately before play at the table is the most obvious and reliable method of detecting game cheating as though not legally acceptable, It is an accurate method of obtaining the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The lie detector operator must also answer appropriate questions to ensure no collusion with any player. An honest player will have no objections to answering appropriate questions having nothing to hide about past present and future chess play intentions. Those who lie are simply disqualified pending an appeal which may permit their reinstatement?

Originally posted by SMesq
Official statement on Borislav from the Spanish organisers:
http://www.chess.com/news/official-statement-on-the-ivanov-story-1152

Point 12 kinda wraps it up.....checkmate.. Or is that chestmate?

I think it would be difficult to impossible to accurately enter a chess move onto a device in a shoe without being able to see the screen. It would also be difficult to get the engine move via touch only (some system based on Braille?) - technologically it's all possible, but it would be massively difficult to operate and the chances of inputting the wrong move or misunderstanding the output would mean some really incomprehensible blunders should occur (although he apparently got to 2,300 by his own efforts so maybe he can correct for this). Has he made any weird blunders?

The most realistic way of him getting data from the machine is by having a miniature speaker in his ear with some kind of data-link to the speaker from a larger device (apparently in his belt). Has anyone thought to check contestants ears to ensure that they don't have anything in their ear canals?

Maybe they should E.M.P. the contestants as they come into the tournament.

The solution is perfectly simple: stop awarding prize money. The cheaters will move on to some other game where there is money.

Originally posted by DeepThought
I think it would be difficult to impossible to accurately enter a chess move onto a device in a shoe without being able to see the screen. It would also be difficult to get the engine move via touch only (some system based on Braille?) - technologically it's all possible, but it would be massively difficult to operate and the chances of inputting the wr ...[text shortened]... their ear canals?

Maybe they should E.M.P. the contestants as they come into the tournament.

I would agree with all you say, I think the touch screen operated shoe theory is ridiculous. Far more likely as you say to have some device that emits some signal, morse code vibrations for example, to indicate the move. That just leaves how he inputs the moves, which I think is either done by him somehow, perhaps in morse code, by tapping on some input device on his body, or otherwise having an accomplice that inputs the moves/ communicates the engine moves to the player.

One things is clear to me, that with all the attention on this guy, he would be a fool not to be constantly refining/ changing the way he cheats. Whatever means he is using, I do not imagine is groundbreaking, so if I was FIDE, I would get in a consultant or two from the casino security industry, and sort this out once and for all.

All the above predicates that this guy is cheating. Given the nature of this guys performances and improvement, as well as the fact I don't see any grandmasters queueing up to declare this guy the new coming of chess, that he is cheating is a foregone conclusion to me. That this nonsense has not been sorted out by FIDE makes chess look a joke, imo.

Originally posted by moonbus
The solution is perfectly simple: stop awarding prize money. The cheaters will move on to some other game where there is money.

Baby, bathwater..

http://en.chessbase.com/post/ivanov-in-navalmoral-the-real-deal

[He was then frisked by Juan Antonio Sánchez Bermejo, a retired policemen with experience in such matters. He started with the head, neck and shoulders, when he got to his chest area but Ivanov pulled back. Before he could do so Bermejo felt something suspicious near his left armpit, but couldn't say what it was. One of Ivanov's shirt buttons had become unfastened when he drew back and Bermejo could see a tape across his chest. When asked what was under his shirt Ivanov said it was nothing and refused to allow the search to continue.]

Case closed.

Ivanov is smart enough to move his device around. If they had checked his shoes, he would've come out clean and the RJHinds of this world would've been saying "SEE? I told you! Ivanov is definitely capable of beating both Houdini and Stockfish by 10-0 scores!"."

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