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  1. 14 Feb '07 00:49


    White moves his bishop to e3, 1.Be3 in the above position.

    Now what?
  2. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    14 Feb '07 00:54
    Originally posted by RahimK
    [fen]2rqr1k1/3nbppp/p2ppn2/1p6/4P3/P1N2N2/1PP2PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - 0 1[/fen]

    White moves his bishop to e3, 1.Be3 in the above position.

    Now what?
    Is this out of a Queen's Indian? I see the black C8 bishop traded off but the a and b pawns pushed like black had a fiancetto going. But Bish to e3 looks like it would be followed by black N-G4, trying for a trade.
  3. Standard member Diet Coke
    Forum Vampire
    14 Feb '07 00:55
    1....Rxc3
    2. bxc3 Nxe4

    Was my initial impression.

    'cos it looked funny.

    Haha how do you like your pawns NOW?
  4. 14 Feb '07 01:07 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by RahimK
    [fen]2rqr1k1/3nbppp/p2ppn2/1p6/4P3/P1N2N2/1PP2PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - 0 1[/fen]

    White moves his bishop to e3, 1.Be3 in the above position.

    Now what?
    My openings are probably directly responsible for the two ideas I thought of for this problem.

    First I thought Rxc3 - Diet Coke already posted this idea, this move always sticks out for me because I'm a Dragon player - I pretty much decided against it because white's king isn't on the queenside anymore.

    I do like the move d5 here though, like 1...d5 2.exd5 (2.e5 and Ng4 looks good, Ne4 may also deserve consideration) Nxd5 seems good for black.
  5. 14 Feb '07 01:13
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Is this out of a Queen's Indian? I see the black C8 bishop traded off but the a and b pawns pushed like black had a fiancetto going. But Bish to e3 looks like it would be followed by black N-G4, trying for a trade.
    Sicilian.

    Taken from a book. Silman says,

    A grandmaster wouldn't hesistate for a moment to play

    1...Rxc3! 2.bxc3 Nxe4

    when Qd4 is met by d5 and Bf6 to follow. No calculation needed. He would just reach out and do it.
  6. Standard member Diet Coke
    Forum Vampire
    14 Feb '07 01:15
    Originally posted by RahimK
    Sicilian.

    Taken from a book. Silman says,

    A grandmaster wouldn't hesistate for a moment to play

    1...Rxc3! 2.bxc3 Nxe4

    when Qd4 is met by d5 and Bf6 to follow. No calculation needed. He would just reach out and do it.
    I'll try not to let it go to my head.
  7. 14 Feb '07 14:24
    So the key to grandmaster play is not hesitating?
  8. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    14 Feb '07 14:39
    Originally posted by RahimK
    Sicilian.

    Taken from a book. Silman says,

    A grandmaster wouldn't hesistate for a moment to play

    1...Rxc3! 2.bxc3 Nxe4

    when Qd4 is met by d5 and Bf6 to follow. No calculation needed. He would just reach out and do it.
    Do you have a score of what would happen later? Does white have compensation or is he just lost? I assume the c pawn goes bye bye too with the B at f6 and more attackers on the way to attack the pawn.
  9. 14 Feb '07 14:44
    A continuation beyond 1. ... Rxc3 etc. would be nice....
  10. 14 Feb '07 15:04
    Originally posted by Chesswick
    A continuation beyond 1. ... Rxc3 etc. would be nice....
    To quote from Rahim's post


    1...Rxc3! 2.bxc3 Nxe4

    when Qd4 is met by d5 and Bf6 to follow.
  11. 14 Feb '07 15:07
    Originally posted by zebano
    To quote from Rahim's post


    1...Rxc3! 2.bxc3 Nxe4

    when Qd4 is met by d5 and Bf6 to follow.
    Sorry, I should have said game. It would be nice to see the whole game, unless of course this was just an isolated example from the book.
  12. 14 Feb '07 15:19
    I couldn't find the position in megabase 2007 so it might not be a game just a position silman came up with.
  13. 14 Feb '07 16:41 / 1 edit
    There is a book Sacrifices in the Sicilian (1974) by IM David Levy which devotes a whole chapter to the Rxc3 sac.
    I think this hardcover book is out of print and is written in descriptive notation.
  14. Standard member Wulebgr
    Angler
    14 Feb '07 17:56
    Originally posted by RahimK
    [fen]2rqr1k1/3nbppp/p2ppn2/1p6/4P3/P1N2N2/1PP2PPP/R1BQ1RK1 w - - 0 1[/fen]

    White moves his bishop to e3, 1.Be3 in the above position.

    Now what?
    The position obviously comes from a Sicilian, perhaps a Rossolimo due to the exchange of light-squared bishops.

    1...Rxc3 2.bxc3 Nxe4 -/+

    Masters have frequently seen an exchange sacrifice in such positions (because they've studied many games), and here for the rook, black gets a well placed knight, a strong central pawn, a clearly superior pawn structure, and better piece mobility.

    Weaker players overlook or refuse this exchange sacrifice because they are overly beholded to the gospel of point-count.
  15. Standard member Diet Coke
    Forum Vampire
    14 Feb '07 18:47
    Originally posted by Chesswick
    A continuation beyond 1. ... Rxc3 etc. would be nice....
    We could always go to the start and play the whole game through for you.