Who's better: bishop or knight?

ok, I see now... you have to play1.h3 instead of 1.h4 and that will allow the knight to mate at the right time so you don't have to move the king.

Sorry chaps - is this going a little of thread - How does this puzzle contribute to the debate - Knight V Bishop?

Originally posted by ChessJester
ok, I see now... you have to play1.h3 instead of 1.h4 and that will allow the knight to mate at the right time so you don't have to move the king.

good solution nice work

Originally posted by Dolphin55
Sorry chaps - is this going a little of thread - How does this puzzle contribute to the debate - Knight V Bishop?

I guess it shows a position where a knight can win against an entire army.

Originally posted by ChessJester
I guess it shows a position where a knight can win against an entire army.

With smothered mate.😀

Originally posted by Dolphin55
The knight can administer checkmate on it's own (smothered mate). One to the knight.

So can the bishop. 😕

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Originally posted by Ragnorak
So can the bishop. 😕

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Am I missing the joke?

Originally posted by Dolphin55
Am I missing the joke?

Black to move.


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Originally posted by Ragnorak
Black to move.
[fen]8/2k1b3/8/8/8/8/P7/KB6 w - - 0 6[/fen]

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Ya got me. But it's not exactly forced is it?

Originally posted by Dolphin55
Ya got me. But it's not exactly forced is it?

Nope, but I've seen dafter things in my time. Also, you didn't mention anything about forced.

"The knight can administer checkmate on it's own (smothered mate). One to the knight. "

Will we call it 1-1?

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Originally posted by bishops r cool

some people will tell you preference, which is bull hockey
the position itself dictates which is more important...
if it is closed, and you exchange a knight for a bishop, shame on you...
remember, experts think a bishop is worth slightly more than a knight based on THEORY
theory does not cover every position...

Originally posted by Ragnorak
Black to move.
[fen]8/2k1b3/8/8/8/8/P7/KB6 w - - 0 6[/fen]

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true, the bishop can deliver a lone mate in that position...
but that's about as useful as knowing the line
1. f3 e6
2. g4 Qh4++

that line is the fastest possible checkmate, but it in a trillion games of chess, either OTB or CC, this probably won't happen once
useless information...
you are making the point that something is possible, but who cares?
how many times is a king going to magically land on a1, with a pawn on a2 and a bishop on b1 with your bishop prepared to check(mate)?

Originally posted by rubberjaw30
some people will tell you preference, which is bull hockey
the position itself dictates which is more important...
if it is closed, and you exchange a knight for a bishop, shame on you...
remember, experts think a bishop is worth slightly more than a knight based on THEORY
theory does not cover every position...

True - but even in closed position a bishop could be better than the knight depending on if it's playing an active role in the game.

If the knight can't get to any important squares the bishop could still be better, maybe it's blocked in but pinning something important.

Also vice versa, the position could be open and the knight could be powerfully posted and the bishop sweeps along a wide open diagonal attacking absolutely nothing.

The important thing is that knights or bishops are coordinated in an active plan with the other pieces based on the tactical elements in the position.

white to play 3 moves to mate( all pieces captured)
this PROVES bishops are better cause if black had 2 bishops instead of knights black would win

Originally posted by bishops r cool
[fen][/fen][fen]p1[/fen]white to play 3 moves to mate( all pieces captured)
this PROVES bishops are better cause if black had 2 bishops instead of knights black would win

Does that also prove that 8 white kings dominate two black knights?