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  1. 24 Jan '06 03:26
    Anyone have any wins vs this system? I played against it once, but it ended in a draw. A master at our club rated 2345 played against it vs a 1748 player and it ended in a draw and this was the championship. You play the opponent twice and the loser gets knockout, so there was a lots of pressure! Very hard to crack the Caro-Khan I think.

    Post your games on here but black has to have a rating of 1400 or over.
  2. 24 Jan '06 05:04
    Who is that, the brother of chenghis Khan? No never played him.
  3. Standard member flexmore
    Quack Quack Quack !
    24 Jan '06 09:19
    Originally posted by RahimK
    ....2345 played against it vs a 1748 player and it ended in a draw ....
    this seems hard to believe ... i often beat 1748 players using the CK .... it must have been bizarre, a setup, or a fluke ... i am only 1700 myself, a 2345 player should find it child's play ...

    i find the CK has a lot of deferred violence ... just waiting for white to waste an overconfident move or two - somewhere just afer the book moves are forgotten.
  4. Standard member Chakan
    Oro!
    24 Jan '06 09:21
    Originally posted by arterioes
    Who is that, the brother of chenghis Khan? No never played him.
    who is chenghis Khan?
  5. Standard member flexmore
    Quack Quack Quack !
    24 Jan '06 09:26
    Originally posted by Chakan
    who is chenghis Khan?
    idiot .. it was just a typo .... Ghinchess Khan was a warrior and leader of the hordes.
  6. Standard member Chakan
    Oro!
    24 Jan '06 09:27 / 4 edits
    Originally posted by flexmore
    idiot .. it was just a typo .... Ghinchess Khan was a warrior and leader of the hordes.
    actually idiot ... it's Genghis Khan or Ghengis Khan.
  7. Standard member flexmore
    Quack Quack Quack !
    24 Jan '06 10:35 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Chakan
    actually idiot ... it's Genghis Khan or Ghengis Khan.
    rubbish ... there is no such opening ... you must mean the Caro
    Khan
  8. Standard member Chakan
    Oro!
    24 Jan '06 10:44
    Originally posted by flexmore
    rubbish ... there is no such opening ... you must mean the Caro
    Khan
    its a little known variation... very very sneaky
  9. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    24 Jan '06 11:01
    Originally posted by Chakan
    actually idiot ... it's Genghis Khan or Ghengis Khan.
    depends on where you live. here it's 'tsingis-kaani'. in mongolia it's Чингис Хаан, Jenghis Khan, Jinghis Khan, Chinghiz Khan, Jinghiz Khan, Chinggis Khan, Changaiz Khan to give a few variations. the dude's name was actually 'temüjin' (with the same amount of variations)...

    sorry 'bout the OT. it's just that the same controversy arises often with different spellings of caro-kann... or nimzowitsch and others...
  10. Standard member Natural Science
    blunderer of pawns
    24 Jan '06 12:18 / 1 edit
    Ahem. Getting back to the topic at hand....

    I was White in this game on another correspondence site a few years ago. Black's inexplicable 25th move aside, the final combination is straightforward but kind of pretty.

    1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Bc4 Ngf6 6.Ng5 e6 7.Qe2 Nb6 8.N1f3 h6 9.Nh3 Bd6 10.Ne5 Bxe5 11.dxe5 Nfd5 12.Bb3 O-O 13.c4 Ne7 14.Bd2 Qc7 15. O-O-O Nd7 16.f4 Nf5 17.Bc3 b6 18.g4 Ne7 19.f5 Nc5 20.f6 Nxb3+ 21.axb3 Ng6 22.g5 gxf6 23.gxf6 Kh7 24.Qh5 Rh8 25.Rhg1 Kg8
    26.Rxg6 fxg6 27.Qxg6+ Kf8 28.Rd8+ Qxd8 29.Qg7+ Ke8 30.f7+ 1-0
  11. 24 Jan '06 18:33
    Originally posted by Sicilian Smaug
    Game 1647859
    Nice. Anymore?
  12. 24 Jan '06 18:39
    Originally posted by Natural Science
    Ahem. Getting back to the topic at hand....

    I was White in this game on another correspondence site a few years ago. Black's inexplicable 25th move aside, the final combination is straightforward but kind of pretty.

    1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Bc4 Ngf6 6.Ng5 e6 7.Qe2 Nb6 8.N1f3 h6 9.Nh3 Bd6 10.Ne5 Bxe5 11.dxe5 Nfd5 12.Bb3 O-O 13. ...[text shortened]... xf6 Kh7 24.Qh5 Rh8 25.Rhg1 Kg8
    26.Rxg6 fxg6 27.Qxg6+ Kf8 28.Rd8+ Qxd8 29.Qg7+ Ke8 30.f7+ 1-0
    Nice combinations.

    I see in both the games which were posted black castled kingside. I think its a bit easier for white if they do that especially in the Bf5 line when white plays h4,h5 but if they 0-0-0 then it looks harder to crack.


    The games against the master, Black got lucky and had a passed pawn which had to be protected. He also castled 0-0-0.

    White mostly castles 0-0-0 and if black castles there too then you have to be very careful about launching a pawn storm, so it is that much more harder against 0-0-0.
  13. 25 Jan '06 17:07
    I have several games with me as black where I got slaughtered, esp. by the Advanced Variation.
  14. 25 Jan '06 18:14
    I've never played it myself but at club we have a class C (he doesn't play in tournaments and is underrated)player who plays nothing but the caro and the slav. A class A player played this against him with success

    1. e4 c6
    2. d4 d5
    3. e5 ? (Bf4 or Nf6)
    4. e6
    Sacraficing a pawn for an attack on the light squares. To be honest, I think there were a few more moves before the gambit but it was a very interesting game to watch. Is anyone else familiar with this theme or was the game just flawed?
  15. 25 Jan '06 18:18
    While we are talking about the Caro, when I still played 1.e4 I used to play the Panov attack vrs the caro-kahn

    1.e4 c6
    2.d4 d5
    3. exd5 cxd5
    4. c4

    A very stong club player claims that this is refuted by 4... e5. Personally I don't see it though. My database contains 2005 games of Topalov playing the Panov attack, so it's hard to consider that anything but a joke, but how would you all continue against 4... e5? The chessbase big database contined 2 games with that position, both from 1960 or earlier.