Posers and Puzzles

Posers and Puzzles

  1. Amsterdam
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    15 Apr '08 07:34
    Game 4823334 & Game 4823335

    2 players banned at the same time..

    Now who will be awarded the wins here? 😛 😀
  2. Standard membereldragonfly
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    16 Apr '08 17:27
    looks like an engine game to me.
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    16 Apr '08 18:24
    Originally posted by eldragonfly
    looks like an engine game to me.
    What an awful statement to make. The only thing it achieves is to create a false impression, hopefully unintendedly, but no less dangerous and misleading. The first game is still well within documented lines of the Najdorf Poisend Pawn variation, the second one is just 2 moves (and very reasonable ones I have to say) out of the moves I know by heart from the Sicilian Sheveningen's Keres attack. I am not questioning the gamemods or their decision at all, but God forgive them if they used any of these 2 games as a basis for the ban.
  4. Standard membereldragonfly
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    16 Apr '08 18:35
    WTF??

    i'll bust it down into bite-sized pieces for you..

    ..since you seem inordinately confused...

    ...well since both were banned for engine use, their ratings were artificially inflated, it seems unlikely that they wouldn't know the lines that you describe. My statement is a very reasonable statement.
  5. Sigulda, Latvia
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    16 Apr '08 18:38
    Originally posted by eldragonfly
    WTF??

    i'll bust it down into bite-sized pieces for you..

    ..since you seem inordinately confused...

    ...well since both were banned for engine use, their ratings were artificially inflated, it seems unlikely that they wouldn't know the lines that you describe. My statement is a very reasonable statement.
    The fact that they were banned doesn't actually prove that they really were cheating. These lines could simply be played by players who learn opening theory. Even if they were cheaters (I'm not saying they weren't) these are not the games by whom should they be judged.
  6. Standard membereldragonfly
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    16 Apr '08 19:22
    Originally posted by kbaumen
    The fact that they were banned doesn't actually prove that they really were cheating. These lines could simply be played by players who learn opening theory. Even if they were cheaters (I'm not saying they weren't) these are not the games by whom should they be judged.
    They were banned for engine use. Enough said.
  7. Sigulda, Latvia
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    16 Apr '08 19:23
    Originally posted by eldragonfly
    They were banned for engine use. Enough said.
    True actually. No need to argue whether it's because of these two games.
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    16 Apr '08 19:56
    Originally posted by eldragonfly
    They were banned for engine use. Enough said.
    Nobody in this thread is claiming otherwise. But your statement above was totally inappropriate because 'looks like an engine game to me' as a reply to the original posting is either bad tasting rambling, or a proof of your lack of knowledge, or (probably) both.
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    16 Apr '08 20:10
    Who says anything about engine use?

    R(b) says "While a game is in progress you may not refer to chess engines, chess computers or be assisted by a third party. Endgame tablebases may not be consulted during play but you may reference books, databases consisting of previously played games between human players, and other pre-existing research materials."

    So we don't know anything about them using an engine. Perhaps they helped eachother, perhaps with other games than theirs. Who knows?
  10. Standard memberSwissGambit
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    16 Apr '08 20:121 edit
    Originally posted by eldragonfly
    WTF??

    i'll bust it down into bite-sized pieces for you..

    ..since you seem inordinately confused...

    ...well since both were banned for engine use, their ratings were artificially inflated, it seems unlikely that they wouldn't know the lines that you describe. My statement is a very reasonable statement.
    Opening books and databases are allowed here.
  11. Standard membereldragonfly
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    16 Apr '08 20:13
    Originally posted by Mephisto2
    Nobody in this thread is claiming otherwise. But your statement above was totally inappropriate because 'looks like an engine game to me' as a reply to the original posting is either bad tasting rambling, or a proof of your lack of knowledge, or (probably) both.
    Nice try. They were cheats that were banned for engine use, nothing complicated here.
  12. Standard membereldragonfly
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    16 Apr '08 20:18
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    Opening books and databases are legal.
    Uh-huh. It's still cheating, no matter how you cut it.
  13. Sigulda, Latvia
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    16 Apr '08 20:20
    Originally posted by eldragonfly
    Uh-huh. It's still cheating, no matter how you cut it.
    What, the use of opening books?

    Even serious CC players who play with engines (where it's allowed) not necessarily use engines in the opening moves if they know the opening well and the opponent doesn't leave the book.
  14. Standard membereldragonfly
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    16 Apr '08 20:32
    Originally posted by kbaumen
    What, the use of opening books?

    Even serious CC players who play with engines (where it's allowed) not necessarily use engines in the opening moves if they know the opening well and the opponent doesn't leave the book.
    WTF? Yes, that's cheating, no doubt about it.
  15. Sigulda, Latvia
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    16 Apr '08 20:352 edits
    Originally posted by eldragonfly
    WTF? Yes, that's cheating, no doubt about it.
    Then why is it allowed here in RHP (the opening books)?

    EDIT: If you know nothing about that, then click on the shiny, blue button "Terms of Service" on the bottom of the screen and read 3(b).
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