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Posers and Puzzles

Posers and Puzzles

  1. Standard member uzless
    The So Fist
    17 Apr '08 15:13
    I have a 10 pound ball. I have to get it across a bridge but the bridge can only support 5 pounds of weight.

    My solution is to roll the ball across the bridge so that the horizontal momentum of the ball will decrease the vertical pull of gravity enough so that the ball will make it all the way across the bridge.

    What is the minimum speed that i have to roll the ball in order to make it to the other side, say 10 metres total distance.


    *Assume zero friction and assume the ball doesn't slow down or speed up after you've released it.
  2. 17 Apr '08 15:18
    Gravity is a constant? I'm confused it seems.
  3. 17 Apr '08 15:47
    At least the horizontal velocity should help the ball to finally touch ground or water after falling through the bridge a bit further by increasing the speed. The only other hope is that the bridge needs time to collapse, and you would shorten the time the bridge has to do this. But really, if the bridge is long enough, and horizontal, any force that you apply on the ball horizontally (in the direction of the other side) will not affect the gravitational force, which is orthagonal to the bridge.
  4. 17 Apr '08 15:50 / 1 edit
    You could get away with it if it was a curved bridge. But we'd need more information about the shape and dimensions.
  5. Standard member uzless
    The So Fist
    17 Apr '08 16:16
    What if you rolled the ball at the speed of light?

    What do you think would happen to the bridge?
  6. 17 Apr '08 17:00
    Horizontal motion does not oppose or counter downward forces, but the good news is that it does not add to it either.

    My answer to your question is therefore that your premise of roll it fast enough is flawed.

    There is, however, perhaps a small caveat to this. The collapse of the bridge takes time. It may also be the case that only the section where the ball is experiences the overly powerful downward pull of gravity on the ball.

    You *might* be able to get the ball across if it moves fast enough that the collapse does not have time to occur, even though I suspect the bridge might still suffer damage from the short time it experienced the overburden.

    This is my analysis of the problem.
  7. Standard member uzless
    The So Fist
    17 Apr '08 17:44 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by geepamoogle
    Horizontal motion does not oppose or counter downward forces, but the good news is that it does not add to it either.

    My answer to your question is therefore that your premise of roll it fast enough is flawed.

    There is, however, perhaps a small caveat to this. The collapse of the bridge takes time. It may also be the case that only the section ...[text shortened]... damage from the short time it experienced the overburden.

    This is my analysis of the problem.
    You are starting to catch on.

    The entire bridge will not collapse at the same moment. Only the section of the bridge that the ball is/was on will collapse. By the time the section of the bridge collapses, if the ball is moving fast enough the ball may already be on to the next section of the bridge.

    In other words, is it possible for the ball to travel along the bridge and have the bridge collapse bit by bit as the ball moves? Or will the ball just immediately crash through the first section of the bridge regardless of the speed at which it is travelling?
  8. 18 Apr '08 01:42
    if you can roll the ball at the speed of light, I'd just toss it across.
  9. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's about respect
    18 Apr '08 04:47
    Originally posted by uzless
    What if you rolled the ball at the speed of light?

    What do you think would happen to the bridge?
    It'd become infinitely heavy and instantly smash the bridge.
  10. 18 Apr '08 07:49
    If you can get the ball moving fast enough, you don't need a bridge, because it will only descend slightly during its flight over the gap and can bounce back up over the edge.
  11. Subscriber deriver69
    Keeps
    18 Apr '08 07:59
    Could you use bridge parts to make a catapult?
  12. 18 Apr '08 17:19
    It's like when you drop into the water from a waterslide. You'll slide on the water for a couple meters. So even though you can't be supported by the water really you don't go down directly. The metaphore is not 100% but you get what i mean.

    Unfortunately i think that you'd have to give some info on the bridge and what materials and composition it is in order to be able to calc a definite answer.

    Also the bridge has 2 solid points where the ball would be supported and thus you need to consider if the ball breaks at the edge then it would break it even 'harder' at the middle. And so on. Not easy to calculate imo but not at all impossible if you make some generalizations.

    My thoughts
  13. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's about respect
    19 Apr '08 19:05
    Originally posted by Tera
    It's like when you drop into the water from a waterslide. You'll slide on the water for a couple meters. So even though you can't be supported by the water really you don't go down directly. The metaphore is not 100% but you get what i mean.

    Unfortunately i think that you'd have to give some info on the bridge and what materials and composition it is in orde ...[text shortened]... lculate imo but not at all impossible if you make some generalizations.

    My thoughts
    Water's a little different because it has surface tension.
  14. 20 Apr '08 16:32
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Water's a little different because it has surface tension.
    It's not really surface tension that causes that effect, though.
  15. Standard member Nemesio
    Ursulakantor
    20 Apr '08 17:09
    Originally posted by uzless
    What if you rolled the ball at the speed of light?

    What do you think would happen to the bridge?
    If it rolled at the speed of light (or very close to it), wouldn't it start to
    have increasing mass? Wouldn't that make its weight greater, making
    the effect of gravity more significant?

    Nemesio