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@lemon-lime saidThe evidence for evolution? We've been over that already.
Or, maybe the dog ate it. Maybe that's what happened to the evidence.
who knows?
@lemon-lime saidThe evidence for evolution? We've been over that already.
Or, maybe the dog ate it. Maybe that's what happened to the evidence.
who knows?
@wildgrass saidThat's right, we've been over this already.
The evidence for evolution? We've been over that already.
I'm critical of the reasoning behind punctuated equilibrium for the same reason I would question the veracity of a student who consistently shows up without his homework because "the dog ate it". If it happened once then it could be true. But if it happens at regular intervals then it's probably not true. The only evidence the completed homework exists (or existed) is the claim that it had existed... before the dog ate it.
@lemon-lime saidYou should try to convey what you are thinking using coherent sentences related to what we were previously discussing. Are you saying that if dog eats homework, then punctuated equilibrium must not exist?
That's right, we've been over this already.
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[quote]I'm critical of the reasoning behind punctuated equilibrium for the same reason I would question the veracity of a student who consistently shows up without his homework because "the dog ate it". If it happened once then it could be true. But if it happens at regular intervals then it's probably not true. T ...[text shortened]... e]
How does a lack of evidence to support evolution work as evidence for evolution?
@wildgrass saidLOL That's hilarious!
You should try to convey what you are thinking using coherent sentences related to what we were previously discussing. Are you saying that if dog eats homework, then punctuated equilibrium must not exist?
@humy saidOf course the rate would vary, but you're presuming a rate of evolutionary change so incredibly fast there wouldn't be time to lay down lasting evidence. How fast would something have to evolve (going through several transitional stages) for this to happen?
lemon-lime
I have been reading your latest posts and trying to understand what you mean and, like wildgrass, failing to because your statements are unclear and, to me, indicate your reasoning is somehow rather confused. One of your confusions is that you seem to think punctuated equilibrium means lack of evidence for evolution when, in fact, it means the rate of evolution is ...[text shortened]... nd is also evidence that its rate varies in a particular way. But, again, that's besides the point).
you're presuming a rate of evolutionary change so incredibly fast there wouldn't be time to lay down lasting evidence.No, I am not. We already have fossils of some missing links and 'some' is all we need for that form proof of evolution.
How fast would something have to evolve (going through several transitional stages) for this to happen?
We already have fossils of some missing links and 'some' is all we need for that form proof of evolution.
@lemon-lime saidWe are working with multiple analogies here. In one, I have been convicted of murder without evidence. You compared this to the lack of evidence for punctuated equilibrium. But in fact, as we've been through on multiple occasions, there is lots of evidence. Fossil records show you were there. Natural selection demonstrates the motive. The murder weapon is on you. There are bodies everywhere. The only thing the prosecutor doesn't have is closed circuit surveillance footage from 800,000 years ago.
LOL That's hilarious!
Is that really what you think?
If so then I apologize for laughing, but I honestly can't tell if you're being serious or just screwing around.
We are working with multiple analogies here.
@wildgrass saidMore than one scenario could account for evidence found at a crime scene, and fictional crime dramas often use this fact in order to make their stories more interesting and believable.
We are working with multiple analogies here. In one, I have been convicted of murder without evidence. You compared this to the lack of evidence for punctuated equilibrium. But in fact, as we've been through on multiple occasions, there is lots of evidence. Fossil records show you were there. Natural selection demonstrates the motive. The murder weapon is on you. There are ...[text shortened]... strong theoretical basis for concluding that either a) the dog really did eat it or b) you're lying.
@lemon-lime saidNo, we have found both. Just read the links I have given you.
@humy
We already have fossils of some missing links and 'some' is all we need for that form proof of evolution.
More likely we found contenders for the title of 'missing link' rather than proof of macro-e.
@lemon-lime saidThat is because here they are not required nor helpful to understand the concept of evolution (and related concepts) as the concept is very easy to understand if you choose to understand and providing you don't choose to be confused for religious reasons.
Analogies don't appear to be popular or well understood here.
@humy saidHow do you determine if something is a transitional? All species, known or not, could be defined as 'transitional' since nearly all of them supposedly came from something and presumably changed into something else.
That is because here they are not required nor helpful to understand the concept of evolution (and related concepts) as the concept is very easy to understand if you choose to understand and providing you don't choose to be confused for religious reasons.
+ your analogies don't make sense anyway.