Originally posted by moonbus I'm putting my money on the moons of Saturn for the first discovery of exo-life
Were I a betting man, I'd put mine on if there is life out in space (and for all the information we have, that's still "if", not "where"!), they will discover us, not we them.
Originally posted by Shallow Blue Were I a betting man, I'd put mine on if there is life out in space (and for all the information we have, that's still "if", not "where"!), they will discover us, not we them.
That presupposes that life out there is both intelligent and curious. Lowering the bar to include life which is neither, raises the possibility of finding some life out there at all.
Originally posted by sonhouse Much more likely we just live in a universe basically hostile to life.
Hostile to complex multicellular life, maybe, but to single cellular life, definitely not. There is plenty of evidence that single celled life as we know it on earth would be able to live on probably one or more planets/moons around nearly every star in every galaxy in the universe. Getting started however is another matter and a big unknown at this stage.
It seems we have only found a very small number of planets around other stars in the 'goldilocks zone' where liquid water can appear. That is entirely a result of not looking. Whenever we have looked we have found such planets.
On November 4, 2013, astronomers reported, based on Kepler data, that there could be as many as 40 billion Earth-sized planets orbiting in the habitable zones of Sun-like stars and red dwarfs in the Milky Way.[5][6] 11 billion of these may be orbiting Sun-like stars.[7] The nearest such planet may be 12 light-years away, according to the scientists.
Originally posted by twhitehead Hostile to complex multicellular life, maybe, but to single cellular life, definitely not. There is plenty of evidence that single celled life as we know it on earth would be able to live on probably one or more planets/moons around nearly every star in every galaxy in the universe. Getting started however is another matter and a big unknown at this stage ...[text shortened]... according to the scientists.[/quote]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumstellar_habitable_zone
I agree, I think life is out there, we're just not seeing it. Life has been found on this planet on the floor of the Antarctic ocean and in mines deeper than 1 km, in waters near freezing and inside solid rock at nearly 50 degrees C.
Originally posted by moonbus I agree, I think life is out there, we're just not seeing it. Life has been found on this planet on the floor of the Antarctic ocean and in mines deeper than 1 km, in waters near freezing and inside solid rock at nearly 50 degrees C.
And Europa spewing those red organics has to be some kind of a sign. We won't know, of course, till a probe of some kind lands there, retrieve a bit of it, send it back to Earth or a very capable biolab on the probe. And that is literally decades away, maybe 40 years. Too bad, I would love to see results from such a probe. I would be a mere 115 in 40 years....
Originally posted by sonhouse And Europa spewing those red organics has to be some kind of a sign. We won't know, of course, till a probe of some kind lands there, retrieve a bit of it, send it back to Earth or a very capable biolab on the probe. And that is literally decades away, maybe 40 years. Too bad, I would love to see results from such a probe. I would be a mere 115 in 40 years....