Originally posted by humy
How do you know this? What barrier is preventing one being developed that uses inedible organic waste left over from farming (just like the method mentioned in that link! ) thus doesn't compete with food crops?
Nothing is stopping it, but as long as the reason for bio-fuels existence remains the same, food crops or their land, will continue to be used.
If you just read the link, this is simply not true. The land can be both used for food crops AND the organic waste left over from crowing food crops from the very SAME land can be converted to biofuel!
As I say, it depends on the motivation. If farmers are trying to save money by utilizing their waste, then it will happen. If however the main drive is to create more bio-fuels, then farmers will try to maximize profits by growing crops specifically for bio-fuels.
What? Biofuel are for “delaying electric cars, etc”? Do you REALLY believe that could credibly be true!?
Yes. How else do you explain the US bio-fuel industry?
I think that is pretty absurd and extremely unlikely that they had that in particular in mind.
WHY would the researchers credibly and deliberately want to delay electric cars in particular? -since they are researching biofuels, we can assume they are probably not being funded by the big oil companies and I fail to see how they would benefit from doing research on something that would allow cars to run on biafuels rather than from doing research on something that would allow all-electric cars.
I think the research is pushed by government policy, so in some ways yes, they are in the pay of big oil.
Current biofuel production uses more fossil fuels to produce than the amount of biofuels produced.
In addition, the fuel car vs electric car situation is a lot more than just fuel, its also about car maintenance. Electric cars need a lot less parts and maintenance, so car manufacturers and parts suppliers stand to loose out.
And, Even if biofuels really did "exist for entirely political reasons" was true, why would that matter?
Because they are generally a big mistake and they are sucking research efforts and subsidies from where it should be.
As I said, this isn't all biofuels, biogas from waste is starting to be a big thing.
Hypothetically, would you be also against solar power if companies and governments sanctioned the development of solar power “for entirely political reasons “?
If it was the wrong thing to do, yes.
Yes, and that would become increasingly true in the next few years as solar cells become ever more energy efficient. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't take advantage of waste plant material for producing biofuels.
If only waste is being used, and its cost effective, then I have no objections. I still think however that cars should go electric, and these biofuels should be used for power production on farms rather than for cars. Is this particular method more efficient than bio-gas production?
Why? Why would you think the production of biogas from waste material might be generally be better than production of liquid biofuel from waste material? I fail to see much fundamental difference between the two that would make you more inclined to support one but not the other.
Biogas production is proven technology, uses farm waste of all sorts, and is not motivated by the wrong things. However, it too, could presumably be misused by using food crops.