@wolfgang59 saidThe only way to stop the climate change is to ban all fossil fuel use. Oil, coal, methane. Note : this is the only way!
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The talk is about halting desertification through managed livestock grazing and enabling the soil to lock-up carbon from atmosphere.
Controversial but surely deserves some more work?
It has to do with the carbon cycle. By injecting new carbon in the atmosphere from outside the cycle you enrich atmosphere with carbon dioxide. And there is no other efficient way to get this carbon from atmosphere. Nature does it by solve it in the sea, but this take time.
Let's hope for the future human civilization that this will work.
@fabianfnas saidA mixed solution of reducing the addition of carbon
The only way to stop the climate change is to ban all fossil fuel use. Oil, coal, methane. Note : this is the only way!
It has to do with the carbon cycle. By injecting new carbon in the atmosphere from outside the cycle you enrich atmosphere with carbon dioxide. And there is no other efficient way to get this carbon from atmosphere. Nature does it by solve it in the sea, but this take time.
Let's hope for the future human civilization that this will work.
to the atmosphere PLUS absorbing (and locking up)
carbon from the atmosphere is surely worth considering.
29 Oct 18
@fabianfnas saidClimate change cannot be stopped. It is impossible.
The only way to stop the climate change is to ban all fossil fuel use. Oil, coal, methane. Note : this is the only way!
It has to do with the carbon cycle. By injecting new carbon in the atmosphere from outside the cycle you enrich atmosphere with carbon dioxide. And there is no other efficient way to get this carbon from atmosphere. Nature does it by solve it in the sea, but this take time.
Let's hope for the future human civilization that this will work.
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@metal-brain saidSounds like MB may believe that, today's naysaying and avoidance will endear themselves to future generations.
Climate change cannot be stopped. It is impossible.
Good solid posting wolfie.
Solution seeking is good.
29 Oct 18
@fabianfnas saidIt seems to me eliminating fossil fuel use would run into extreme political action against that process, as good an idea as it seems. The other problem is how to replace all that fossil fuel use, massive investment in solar? Wind? Wave? My guess is the worse offenders will have the most political push against that. I don't see trillion dollar programs to do that and from what I have read, for instance in the US, if we went solar it would take at least 1 trillion dollars just for the infrastructure AFTER making the massive solar cell construction because of the fact the high voltage power transmission lines kind of go around the perifery of the US, not totally but the estimate is in fact a trillion dollars to get high voltage lines to the desert sites where the massive solar cells have to be located.
The only way to stop the climate change is to ban all fossil fuel use. Oil, coal, methane. Note : this is the only way!
It has to do with the carbon cycle. By injecting new carbon in the atmosphere from outside the cycle you enrich atmosphere with carbon dioxide. And there is no other efficient way to get this carbon from atmosphere. Nature does it by solve it in the sea, but this take time.
Let's hope for the future human civilization that this will work.
There also has to be massive battery or other kind of large scale energy storage simply because solar is only good for about 1/3 of each day so the size of the plant would have to be about 3 times bigger than what would be generated to cover say a city since that city would have to live on battery or other energy storage technology, whatever that is.
29 Oct 18
@sonhouse saidAbout 20% of the world's energy comes from renewable sources.
It seems to me eliminating fossil fuel use would run into extreme political action against that process, as good an idea as it seems. The other problem is how to replace all that fossil fuel use, massive investment in solar? Wind? Wave?
In Europe most, if not all, countries are producing at least 25% (and growing)
of their energy requirements from renewables.
It is possible. It is happening world-wide.
The US is dragging its heels.
30 Oct 18
@wolfe63 saidIt is impossible. Any competent climate scientist would tell you that. They know this warming trend started before the invention of the automobile. You cannot reverse natural causes and natural causes are unquestionably a factor. This warming trend started from natural causes.
Sounds like MB may believe that, today's naysaying and avoidance will endear themselves to future generations.
Good solid posting wolfie.
Solution seeking is good.
Only the ignorant would claim it is possible. Informed people know better.
30 Oct 18
@wolfgang59 saidNope. It is impossible.
About 20% of the world's energy comes from renewable sources.
In Europe most, if not all, countries are producing at least 25% (and growing)
of their energy requirements from renewables.
It is possible. It is happening world-wide.
The US is dragging its heels.
See my last post before this one.
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@metal-brain saidIce core samples, collected by scientists, contradict your rhetoric.
Nope. It is impossible.
See my last post before this one.
The evidence shows that the particular gasses associated with global warming have never been higher.
But, I expect you'll continue towing the party-line on this issue: Just as long as corporate polluters maintain their "cash cow" status with Rush Limbaugh and FOX News.
How depressing.
@sonhouse saidThen we are doomed.
It seems to me eliminating fossil fuel use would run into extreme political action against that process,
Not only the human civilization. Not only humanity. But Nature itself is doomed.
When the greenhouse effect is non-reversable, we all realized: We, as a specie, are nothing but a failure.
30 Oct 18
@wolfe63 saidNo, the Ice core samples collected by scientists do not contradict me at all. You are stating a falsehood.
Ice core samples, collected by scientists, contradict your rhetoric.
The evidence shows that the particular gasses associated with global warming have never been higher.
But, I expect you'll continue towing the party-line on this issue: Just as long as corporate polluters maintain their "cash cow" status with Rush Limbaugh and FOX News.
How depressing.
http://www.hirhome.com/climate_change/global_warming03.htm
@metal-brain saidhirhome?!
No, the Ice core samples collected by scientists do not contradict me at all. You are stating a falsehood.
http://www.hirhome.com/climate_change/global_warming03.htm
Is that whodey's recommendation?
If they said the sky was blue I'd have to go out and check.
READ SOME SCIENCE
31 Oct 18
@wolfgang59 saidThis is science!
hirhome?!
Is that whodey's recommendation?
If they said the sky was blue I'd have to go out and check.
READ SOME SCIENCE
http://cdiac.ess-dive.lbl.gov/trends/co2/vostok.html
@metal-brain saidIt clearly shows CO2 levels higher than they have been in 500,000 years. You should have picked a more biased opinion piece to try to prove your POV.
This is science!
http://cdiac.ess-dive.lbl.gov/trends/co2/vostok.html