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@wildgrass saidToo many boys and not enough girls?
I don't understand why 9 buoys (in your Holgate et al study) is better than 177 buoys (in other studies e.g. Hay et al.).
@wildgrass saidToo many boys and not enough girls?
I don't understand why 9 buoys (in your Holgate et al study) is better than 177 buoys (in other studies e.g. Hay et al.).
@wildgrass saidShow me excerpts from the two articles.
When you post a paper, please read it first.
In my view, the more recent and more comprehensive study provides better evidence for sea level rise. I don't understand why 9 buoys (in your Holgate et al study) is better than 177 buoys (in other studies e.g. Hay et al.). I thought maybe you could shed some light on it but your dog ate your homework.
@metal-brain saidYou need to read them yourself. I'm surprised you're able to derive such confident opinions without reading anything.
Show me excerpts from the two articles.
@wildgrass saidI'm surprised you think you can fool people into thinking you understand what you read. You are clearly making up crap as you go along. First you bring up a model that you cannot even prove is a standard climate model and now you are changing the subject to buoys out of nowhere.
You need to read them yourself. I'm surprised you're able to derive such confident opinions without reading anything.
I already quoted the relevant excerpt from Holgate regarding the model they used for drawing their conclusions. What distinguishes Holgate et al. from other contradictory studies that were performed using more comprehensive sea level data? Maybe try to read the papers and then answer.
@metal-brain saidI know you know how to read. What distinguishes Holgate et al. from other contradictory studies that were performed using more comprehensive sea level data?
I'm surprised you think you can fool people into thinking you understand what you read. You are clearly making up crap as you go along. First you bring up a model that you cannot even prove is a standard climate model and now you are changing the subject to buoys out of nowhere.
All I know for sure is that you don't want to accept any article that you cannot counter wi ...[text shortened]... make crap up. Then you refuse to paste an excerpt. If you cannot explain it you don't understand it.
@wildgrass saidWhat other contradictory studies?
I know you know how to read. What distinguishes Holgate et al. from other contradictory studies that were performed using more comprehensive sea level data?
@metal-brain saidRead the one you posted first, and then we can compare to other studies.
What other contradictory studies?
@wildgrass saidCopy and paste the relevant excerpts if they exist. I know from experience that those that refuse to post excerpts typically know they are wrong and simply want to waste my time out of spite for being proved wrong.
Read the one you posted first, and then we can compare to other studies.
@metal-brain saidYou've posted the link to the article, and now I've burdened you with the task of reading it? It's not a tough read, probably would take less time than we've already spent going back and forth about the importance of reading.
Copy and paste the relevant excerpts if they exist. I know from experience that those that refuse to post excerpts typically know they are wrong and simply want to waste my time out of spite for being proved wrong.
You know you are wrong. You are nitpicking at stuff you don't understand in a vain attempt to burden me with the research work merely in hopes you stumbled ...[text shortened]... ing relevant.
Prove it is relevant. I'm not going on your wild goose chase. Prove your own case.
@wildgrass saidI said "climate model", not "model".
You've posted the link to the article, and now I've burdened you with the task of reading it? It's not a tough read, probably would take less time than we've already spent going back and forth about the importance of reading.
The relevant excerpt from Holgate et al. (which was your reference refuting the human impact of sea level rise) was pasted in on the page regarding ...[text shortened]... o use modeling, because of course they do, because how else are you going to make those conclusions?
@metal-brain saidYikes. Read the darn article already. You posted it after all.
I said "climate model", not "model".
You don't even know if it is a climate model. Try establishing that first.
@wildgrass saidI know how to read and what not to read. It isn't even a climate model. You didn't even know what you were reading about. When you can tell me what kind of model it is let me know.
Yikes. Read the darn article already. You posted it after all.
@metal-brain saidIn the second of the two posts you referenced Holgate, the last post on page 7, which I reproduce here:
I know how to read and what not to read. It isn't even a climate model. You didn't even know what you were reading about. When you can tell me what kind of model it is let me know.
So biased guys like you attack what you don't like. That isn't surprising. I meant sea level rise though. Can you present another peer reviewed article saying sea level is rising at an alarming rate? Apparently not if you all are still resorting to attack the source even when it is a peer reviewed article from a respected science journal.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2006GL028492
I do care where an article comes from. It must be a peer reviewed article from a respected science journal or something comparable. I will not accept gossip from hack websites known for lying.
[9] Following the method described in HW04, consecutive, overlapping decadal mean rates were calculated for each sea level record. The advantage of calculating decadal rates in this way is that the tide gauge records can then be combined into a single mean sea level time series, despite the different gauges having different datums. Furthermore, decadal rates remove any minor data discontinuities and introduce an element of smoothing. The rates of change at each station are corrected for GIA using the ICE‐4G model of Peltier [2001] and for inverse barometer effects using the HadSLP2 air pressure data set [Allan and Ansell, 2006].
Holgate, SJ (2007), paragraph 9, https://doi.org/10.1029/2006GL028492
[18] All the stations in this study show a significant increase in sea level over the period 1904–2003 with an average increase of 174 mm during that time (Figure 4). This mean rate of 1.74 mm/yr is at the upper end of the range of estimates for the 20th century in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Third Assessment Report (IPCC TAR) [Church et al., 2001], and consistent with other recent estimates [Holgate and Woodworth, 2004; Church and White, 2006].
Holgate, SJ (2007), paragraph 18, https://doi.org/10.1029/2006GL028492