Earth breaks 12th straight monthly heat record

Originally posted by Metal Brain
Fred Singer is smarter than you

and yet his claims have been rejected by the majority of climate scientists some of whom have clearly debunked his claims. We have been over this before. And, whether you label him 'smarter' than me, he is certainly wrong.

Originally posted by Metal Brain
You mean less alkaline.

that is what I said with the exact words "less alkaline"

The PH has been less alkaline in the past than now.

In the distant past, yes. And if that pH had dropped at a faster rate than ocean life can adapt via evolution to it just like we are making it do now, it would have had adverse effects on many marine species. In fact it is generally thought, and for good reasons, that such ocean acidification was one of the causal factors in some of the past mass extinctions at sea.

http://earthsky.org/earth/ocean-acidification-drove-earths-largest-mass-extinction

"...During the Permian–Triassic mass extinction event 252 million years ago, most life on Earth perished. Scientists have now obtained evidence that ocean acidification played a key role in the die-off. ..."

So your point was...what? That if it happened in the past then it cannot do any harm if it happened now? False inference.

Originally posted by humy
and yet his claims have been rejected by the majority of climate scientists some of whom have clearly debunked his claims. We have been over this before. And, whether you label him 'smarter' than me, he is certainly wrong.

What is your source of information?

Originally posted by humy
that is what I said with the exact words "less alkaline"

The PH has been less alkaline in the past than now.

In the distant past, yes. And if that pH had dropped at a faster rate than ocean life can adapt via evolution to it just like we are making it do now, it would have had adverse effects on many marine species. In fact it is generally tho ...[text shortened]... That if it happened in the past then it cannot do any harm if it happened now? False inference.

You obviously did not read the article in the link below. Either that or you did and are afraid of addressing the facts presented in it.

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2014/01/28/the-myth-of-ocean-acidification-by-carbon-dioxide/

Let's talk about what it says about Henry's Law. Do you have the courage or are you determined to keep digressing away from what proved you wrong?

Originally posted by Metal Brain
You obviously did not read the article in the link below. Either that or you did and are afraid of addressing the facts presented in it.

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2014/01/28/the-myth-of-ocean-acidification-by-carbon-dioxide/

Let's talk about what it says about Henry's Law. Do you have the courage or are you determined to keep digressing away from what proved you wrong?

your above link like you tells a load of moronic crap and lies.

Just one example:
it says it is a "fact" that the marine animals evolved when the CO2 concentration was "10 times the current level". That is a totally idiotic statement only in part because different marine animal species would have evolved in different periods of the Earth history and, because different parts of the Earth's history had different CO2 levels, that means some evolved when the CO2 levels was higher than today's and some evolved when it was lower than today's.

It is also completely irrelevant since, regardless of what the CO2 level was when an animal species first evolved, all marine animal species are currently adapted via evolution to the current PH of the ocean and, just like in the past, since it takes many generations before they could adapted via evolution to a PH much different to the current PH, they won't be able to immediately adapt to a relatively fast change in PH like the one we are causing. The PH an animal species was adapted to when it first evolved is not necessarily the one it is best adapted to now since through evolution it constantly adapts to slow changes in PH as and when those changes take place; -but not so easily to the vary fast changes in PH like we are causing.

The author of your link obviously is, like you, a complete moron.

Originally posted by humy
your above link like you tells a load of moronic crap and lies.

Just one example:
it says it is a "fact" that the marine animals evolved when the CO2 concentration was "10 times the current level". That is a totally idiotic statement only in part because different marine animal species would have evolved in different periods of the Earth history and, becau ...[text shortened]... in PH like we are causing.

The author of your link obviously is, like you, a complete moron.

Marine life will adapt just fine.

http://phys.org/news/2015-06-corals-global-scientists.html

Originally posted by Metal Brain
Marine life will adapt just fine.

http://phys.org/news/2015-06-corals-global-scientists.html

nobody is claiming that acidification has risen yet to a level to seriously threaten corals in particular and your new link doesn't even mention "acidification" thus your new link is completely irrelevant to acidification.

in addition, your new link says;

"...Worldwide, coral reefs have been badly damaged by rising sea surface temperatures...."

So, yes, they will adapt to warming eventually, but they are still being badly damaged (according to your new link ) in the meantime (which is a bad thing in case you don't get it ) and that almost certainly will cause a few extinctions along the way.

http://phys.org/news/2016-06-south-pole-earth-global-milestone.html

"...The Earth passed another unfortunate milestone May 23 when carbon dioxide (CO2) surpassed 400 parts per million (ppm) at the South Pole for the first time in 4 million years.

The South Pole has shown the same, relentless upward trend in CO2 as the rest of world, but its remote location means it's the last to register the impacts of increasing emissions from fossil fuel consumption, the primary driver of greenhouse gas pollution.

"The far southern hemisphere was the last place on earth where CO2 had not yet reached this mark," said Pieter Tans, the lead scientist of NOAA's Global Greenhouse Gas Reference Network. "Global CO2 levels will not return to values below 400 ppm in our lifetimes, and almost certainly for much longer."
...
Upward trend continues

And the annual rate of increase appears to be accelerating. The annual growth rate of atmospheric carbon dioxide measured at NOAA's Mauna Loa Observatory in Hawaii jumped 3.05 ppm during 2015, the largest year-to-year increase in 56 years of monitoring. Part of last year's jump was attributable to El Nino, the cyclical Pacific Ocean warming that produces extreme weather across the globe, causing terrestrial ecosystems to lose stored CO2 through wildfire, drought and heat waves.

Last year was the fourth consecutive year that CO2 grew more than 2 ppm – which set another record. This year promises to be the fifth.

"We know from abundant and solid evidence that the CO2 increase is caused entirely by human activities," Tans said. "Since emissions from fossil fuel burning have been at a record high during the last several years, the rate of CO2 increase has also been at a record high. And we know some of it will remain in the atmosphere for thousands of years."
..."

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2016/06/20/may_2016_was_the_hottest_may_on_record.html

March … I Mean April… I Mean May 2016 Is the Sixth … I Mean Seventh… I Mean Eighth Temperature Record-Breaking Month in a Row

October. November. December. January. February. March. April. And now May.

For the sixth seventh eighth month in a row, we’ve had a month that has broken the global high temperature record. And not just broken it, but shattered it, blasting through it like the previous record wasn’t even there.

According to NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies, March April May 2016 was the hottest March April May on record, going back 136 years. It was a staggering 1.28°C 1.11°C 0.93° C above average across the planet.* The previous March April May record, from 2010 2014, was 0.92° 0.87° 0.86° above average. This year took a huge jump over that.

Welcome to the new normal, and our new world.

As you can see from the map above, much of this incredible heat spike is located in the extreme northern latitudes. That is not good; it’s this region that’s most fragile to heating. Temperatures soaring to 7° or more above normal means more ice melting, a longer melting season, loss of thinner ice, loss of longer-term ice, and most alarmingly the dumping of billions of tons of fresh water into the saltier ocean which can and will disrupt the Earth’s ability to move that heat around.

What’s going on? El Niño might be the obvious culprit, but in fact it’s only contributing a small amount of overall warming to the globe, probably around 0.1° C or so. That’s not nearly enough to account for this. It’s almost certain that even without El Niño we’d be experiencing record heat.†
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Originally posted by humy
nobody is claiming that acidification has risen yet to a level to seriously threaten corals in particular and your new link doesn't even mention "acidification" thus your new link is completely irrelevant to acidification.

in addition, your new link says;

"...Worldwide, coral reefs have been [b]badly damaged by rising sea surface temperatures...."

...[text shortened]... in case you don't get it ) and that almost certainly will cause a few extinctions along the way.[/b]

Coral reefs have been badly damaged in the past. This is nothing new and they always adapt just fine and they always will. Coral bleaching is nothing new. It is nothing to be alarmed about.
Don't be such a chicken little.

Originally posted by Metal Brain
Coral reefs have been badly damaged in the past. This is nothing new and they always adapt just fine and they always will. Coral bleaching is nothing new. It is nothing to be alarmed about.
Don't be such a chicken little.

Contrary to your idiotic belief, corals CAN go extinct and with it the bio diversity that helps maintain the balance of CO2 and O2 and N2 in the atmosphere.

The planet is suffering and the only way you would admit it is if you were stuck in Cleveland during a 130 degree day. Maybe that wouldn't even do it.

You are immune to evidence just like the rest of the deniers who will deny to the day they die from heat prostration. I hope you don't live in Palm Springs, currently 123 degrees F. 4 people already have.

Originally posted by Metal Brain
Coral reefs have been badly damaged in the past

...which is a BAD thing to happen thus it would be a bad thing for us to damage them. You sure are completely thick. Just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it isn't a bad thing to happen and often what happens in the past IS a bad thing; that is completely obvious to everybody here but you.

Using your same 'logic' here; humanity has been through two terrible world wars with millions of people murdered but then humanity "always adapt just fine" (as you said ) as humanity is still here; so it isn't a bad thing for us to cause another would war and murder millions?

Originally posted by Metal Brain
Coral reefs have been badly damaged in the past. This is nothing new and they always adapt just fine and they always will. Coral bleaching is nothing new. It is nothing to be alarmed about.
Don't be such a chicken little.

Here is a report of land crops not keeping up with climate change. It's happening as we speak.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36579125

Originally posted by humy
...which is a BAD thing to happen thus it would be a bad thing for us to damage them. You sure are completely thick. Just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it isn't a bad thing to happen and often what happens in the past IS a bad thing; that is completely obvious to everybody here but you.

Using your same 'logic' here; humanity has been th ...[text shortened]... ty is still here; so it isn't a bad thing for us to cause another would war and murder millions?

"Just because something happened in the past doesn't mean it isn't a bad thing to happen"

When it is from natural causes it is good reason to stop being an irrational alarmist. Life adapted to it just fine and still is. The only thing obvious is your irrational fear. You keep making idiotic predictions based on made up crap that you believe for no other reason than political bias and outright propaganda. Most climate scientists are not that stupid. They are not alarmists like you have been duped into believing. That is why no poll has been followed through with to show that.
Your foolishness is getting old. I am getting bored of constantly correcting you only for you to point to moronic predictions without any logical reason for them. Making stuff up is not science!

Originally posted by sonhouse
Here is a report of land crops not keeping up with climate change. It's happening as we speak.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-36579125

Wrong! That is just another prediction without merit. It is NOT happening as we speak.